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1960 Ludwig Pioneer? Last viewed: 56 minutes ago

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Hi all, I am considering purchasing this drum set but I can't find any information on it online. From what I can tell, Pioneer refers to a snare. Can anyone one here make anything from this ad? Any advice would be much appreciated! TIA.

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/msg/1885962071.html

Posted on 14 years ago
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I think those are being sold by a member here....

LudwigLover posted the link earlier today.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Looks like a '59 or so WFL "Combo" set with an added 12 x 15 Slingerland stage band floor tom. That set would have come with a Pioneer (6 lug wood) snare drum...obviously MIA.

Those would be great sounding drums...3 ply, mahogany interior (my favorite).

The duco doesn't hold up so well, so if cosmetics are important to you, keep that in mind.

Posted on 14 years ago
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i bet thats a great sounding kit.

rich is right that many clubdate kits have pioneer snares with them. but in the early 60's the clubdates were actually cataloged and sold with jazz festival snares. the pioneer appeared in the 64 catalog with those kits and the to the acrolite by 67.

mike

Posted on 14 years ago
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I bought the kit and you all are right. So far I only have the bass drum in working order, but it sounds great! The guy I bought it from was great as well, real nice.

The paint is literally falling off of the drums. I have never restored drums before but I was thinking about getting some sand paper and removing all of the paint and then staining the drums. Can anyone give me or direct me to advice for doing this? Does it sound like a good idea?

Thanks!

Posted on 14 years ago
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You know, that is not really restoring drums. That would be refinishing. As it goes, these are your drums. While we as a community don't prescibe to refinishing vintage drums unless there is absolutely no other way, you can restore them without removing the original finish. Duco is a seriously tough finish to restore, but it is also a finish that will be gone as far too many people are doing just that. Duco paint is a very brittle finish and cracks and flakes, but if you find a way to save it, you will find a few years from now that is highly sought after and will be worth much more than you paid. Actually, it is worth more than you paid now...Great deal, even if the floor tom is not an exact match. The era correct shells should match well, sonically even though it is a Slingerland instead of WFL, or Ludwig.

Post some pix so we can see what is taking place.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks for the advice Jonni. I am not terribly interested in the cosmetics of the drums, but I am willing to do some extra work, within reason. I'll try to get some pics posted asap. The main problem is that I bought these drums to play, but they leave a trail of paint flakes when you move them, so I am looking for a relatively inexpensive and uninvolved solution. I hope I'm not making too many of you cringe here.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Even though I normally preach not to refinish drums, I think in the case of well played duco finishes it's not really that bad. I've had duco drums that flaked as I played them. I'd see nothing wrong, in this case, with refinishing, but it may be tough job getting down to the wood without duco residue. It may also be hard to match the floor tom to the other drums.

I'd consider getting them re-done in duco or black lacquer. There are "drum guys" that have done this and I'm sure an auto painter could do a great job pretty inexpensively, especially if you prepare the shells first.

I'd avoid a pearl wrap on those as the shells are slightly larger than already wrapped shells.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I am fine with it....as long as you re-finish it in a duco!Yes SirYes SirYes SirYes Sir


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Posted on 14 years ago
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So, is it totally ridiculous to strip the drum and re-stain it with polyurethane? Please forgive my ignorance.

Posted on 14 years ago
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