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Camco drums are rare,... but how rare? Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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Hi drumfolks,

The past 18 months, I think I have read most of the information available on Camco Drums on the web. There is very little available but a good thing the forums are there. Over here and on "the other forum", there are a handful of experts always willing to share their expertise and enthusiasm on this mystical brand.

Most posts come from passionate players/collectors and Camcos are described as,...

... the vintage drum world's best kept secret.

... best sounding drums ever made.

... best shell manufacturing ever.

... etc etc

All this can be interpreted as subjective info and the few Camco owners around could be (putting it nicely), slightly biased. Hey, I'm one of them myself.

A thing that comes up in most threads is the brand's rarity and the scarcity of parts.

I was wondering if there is objective information available on how rare they actually are? Unlike the other vintage American brands, where serial numbers or company achieves can give us a rough idea how many drums were made back in the days, Camco didn't do serial numbers nor did they stamp the interiors if I'm not mistaken.

Are we talking about hundreds or thousands of sets each year that left the Camco factories in Oaklawn, Chanute and LA?

Could listings on Ebay or Craigslist be a good indicator?

What are looking at?

Two Camco sets for 150-200 Ludwigs offered each month?

Not to mention the brand's presence overseas which is practically non-existing!

Is there factual info available from old staff or company inventories?

In my research I bumped into this picture. Apparently the Oaklawn factory building still exists. Thought it would be nice to share,...

Posted on 11 years ago
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I have lived in atlanta 30 plus years,and lived in NJ before that,and I was only made aware of Camco in 1976 when I saw them in a west coast mail order catalogue,since then I have seen two kits in person,a blue sparkle 60' s era and a cream white LA era.Both in atlanta,both in a drum shop.

I have seen 1 slingerleedy,but sling never had a major dealer here.

They seem to pop up on the west coast,the midwest and west of the Missippi in the south.From what I have seen they are rare in the southeast.

I would guess they never had more than 15 percent of the market.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Great points and even better questions! My guess on rarity is less than 5% of the market sales of American Drum companies. Their market share was so low it's surprising they lasted 17 years. Even 50 years later they are still suffering from the never heard of them syndrome....The L.A. era snare drums are twice as rare as the Roger's maple Dynasonic but are currently valued at less than 25% of a dyna. The sound quality may be purely subjective but when you consider that Camcos (Oaklawns, Chanute, and L.A. era) were the staple at almost every recording studio in the country and the #1 choice of most studio drummers it makes you wonder...They were also the only American drum company that offered a full refund if you were not completely satisfied...

Posted on 11 years ago
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I was always under the impression that Gretsch were the go to for recording. It's just that their hardware was questionable. Mr. Geo. Way was the big deal with Camco (and most of the core designs of drums as we know them today)as far as I'm concerned.

But rarity is king.

I don't think I've ever heard how great Trixon drums sound, only how rare they are.

I like Drums...
1963 Ludwig Downbeat Champagne Sparkle
1964 Leedy (Slingerland) Blue n Silver Duco
1964 Ludwig Club Date Sparkling Silver Pearl
1966 Ludwig Super Classic Sparkling Silver Pearl
1968 Gretsch round badge modern jazz orange stain
1972 Slingerland 85N Pop outfit Light Blue Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite clear
1981 Gretsch SSB Gran Prix Rosewood
1987 Yamaha Turbo Tour Custom Mellow Yellow
1991 Pearl Export Ferrari Red
Posted on 11 years ago
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From what Ive read and been told Camco and Rogers made the best, and still to this day havent been beaten.

Anyone disagree ?

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Slingalud

Great points and even better questions! My guess on rarity is less than 5% of the market sales of American Drum companies. Their market share was so low it's surprising they lasted 17 years. Even 50 years later they are still suffering from the never heard of them syndrome....The L.A. era snare drums are twice as rare as the Roger's maple Dynasonic but are currently valued at less than 25% of a dyna. The sound quality may be purely subjective but when you consider that Camcos (Oaklawns, Chanute, and L.A. era) were the staple at almost every recording studio in the country and the #1 choice of most studio drummers it makes you wonder...They were also the only American drum company that offered a full refund if you were not completely satisfied...

Didn't know about the full refund,...

On Camco's market share, I believe it must have been far less than 5% and counting in Europe, I don't think that they even reached 1%.

About Camcos used in recording studio's, that still counts for today.

In my research I stumbled on maybe a handful of Camco sets in the small part of the world where I live and 2 of them are used in recording studio's.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Camco drums...

I still hate the term 'rare' with anything that's 'generally' available, but no doubt. Camco drums are very scarce.

As I've said before, the biggest problem with Camco was a ridiculous marketing division.

The very first time I remember seeing a Camco kit was a Creedence concert... I thought they were European.

I don't think I saw them again until I saw a kit at 'The Vox Room', a music store in Sacramento. They were used, and small (20, 12, 14 maybe?) and I played rock. On the prodding of a friend that worked there, I did sit down and gave 'em a test drive... wow! But the sizes were out of fashion for the times (1972 maybe). When I saw the 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen' one of the drummers is using a walnut stained rock sized kit.

And that's about it.

I still hadn't seen any advertisements for them at that time. Even though I hardly ever use it (once, at a gig last year) I still keep and use mine. The older I get, the smaller the kits I use get, but that big LA Camco rock kit isn't going anywhere. It just sounds... good.

fishwaltz
Posted on 11 years ago
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Your research will undoubtedly uncover some or maybe even all of the mistakes that the so called experts have written about Camco drums. It really bothered me...Even the little things like the ITCs, tone control knobs coming from the factory with hex screws? Not! They all had flat tip/single slot screws that were sometimes switched out for the better working hex screws. Some of the info I found was right in their own advertising literature that came from a marketing dept that didn't exist...Lol...I even went so far as to take an ad out in the Los Angeles Times 4 Sundays in a row looking for prior employees of the Camco Drum Company. I am really happy to see that dw embraced their own legacy by designing the Collectors Series Maple with ultra thin shells which was Camcos secret and their claim to fame. That and the fact that the shells were just slightly undersized.

Posted on 11 years ago
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I have had countless kits,and have only had 5 Camco kits..

2-18,12,14 kits with matching snares (Silver Sparkle/Champagne Sparkle)

2-20,12,14,matching snares in Natural Maple/Purple Satin Flame

22,12,12,16 in BDP

a stray Geo Way 22" BD

a few Camco/Geo Way snares..and thats it!

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 11 years ago
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From kookadams

From what Ive read and been told Camco and Rogers made the best, and still to this day havent been beaten. Anyone disagree ?

I disagree.

Posted on 11 years ago
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