Someone needs to explain to me why these drums are so sought after. Did they not make many of them? you can get a prestine RK for less than this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190628062096&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Someone needs to explain to me why these drums are so sought after. Did they not make many of them? you can get a prestine RK for less than this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190628062096&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Bear in mind that George Way was a pioneer.
In comparison to the "big boys" of the time, Camco could well have been considered a custom shop in the number of kits / snares built.
Being that they were smaller, new developments and improvements could happen quickly and unusual models or features not shown in the catalog are out there.
While listed as a "Super 99" the parallel strainer and gates have a very "prototype" appearance in comparison to the production version offered in the early 60's ( on the Super 701 ) and has been installed on an Oaklawn era Aristocrat shell.
Camco drums are considered by many to be some of the finest sounding drums made in the USA and this little beauty is in nearly all original VG+ condition.
To my mind, this asking price is not really out of line.
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Value isn't always about the utilitarian aspect of an object. Many times, people want to hold an historically-significant piece for themselves for intangible reasons. There's just no way to put a value on everything because different people have different scales for weighing the importance of their "stuff"
It's just because it's Ebay. Anyone selling anything more than 10 years old on there thinks it's worth a million dollars. Basically, Ebay isn't about selling things for what they're worth; it's about selling things for as much money as the sellers can possibly con you out of.
Well, except for the aggressive use of the term "con you out of", I agree with you. But, at the same time, isn't that the idea behind Ebay?
Before the internet and Ebay, people still found ways to sell their stuff. Then Ebay came along and offered a unique option. But now, it's like we have expectations for it...as if it's Ebay's duty to serve the people. They are a business and they serve themselves.
I hate the way the Ebay system has changed. It used to be cool, but now I almost always run into jerk buyers when I'm a seller and jerk sellers when I'm a buyer....I guess it's still easier than hauling all the stuff down from the attic and sitting in a lawn chair while people try and get me to come down from 25 cents to 10 cents.
As a good friend of mine said, drums are tubes with metal strapped to them. I know the Camco history, Blah-Blah-Blah...they're still tubes with hardware. The only reason idiots (like myself) spend this kind of money for something is because there aren't very many available. It's still a chunk of wood with metal attached to it...it won't make you play any better & it won't make you a drum authority...it's just wood & metal with a little plastic thrown in. Drums are only worth what you the buyer(s) are willing to pay...in reality, the raw materials are worth maybe a buck fifty...there is no drum on the planet that's worth $1500!...there's just dummies like me that think they are!
I think the main expectation people have out of Ebay is that the sellers are going to be honest. And quite a lot of the time, they aren't. They'll give misleading descriptions of merchandise and use shills if they think they can get more money. Right now, there is a seller on there who is disassembling every Slingerland he comes across and is selling the parts individually. It's a big scam to make you pay way more for a drum than it's worth. Any regular business that conducted itself like Ebay does would find itself out of business and probably on the end of a couple of criminal complaints pretty quickly. But if someone cheats you on Ebay, there is virtually nothing you can do about it. I'd rather go to a yard sale any day.
All valid points. However, nobody is forcing any prospective buyer to purchase any item that he or she is leery about or has questions concerning. "Asking" prices are just that and many listings also include the "make offer" option. Caveat Emptor needs to be practiced in all transactions.
Yard sales are fine but seldom will you find Camco or George Way drums in sound, original condition at them. At least not in my neighborhood!
I don't think you can or should put the whole burden on the buyer. In the real world, sellers have a legal obligation to be honest. Many of them aren't on Ebay, and the seller has virtually no recourse. You can't just excuse that by saying "Caveat Emptor."
The problem might be in one's interpretation of the phrase "being honest." Although you might disagree, I 've learned through the years that that means very different things to different people. I also believe that in your above post you probably meant to say that the "buyer" (in lieu of the "seller") has virtually no recourse. Am I correct?
In regard to an earlier post of yours regarding a seller disassembling a drum I don't agree with your statement that a seller can "make you pay way more for a drum than it's worth." No seller can make you buy anything at any price. It's a choice that you as the buyer must make. Nobody can force you to spend your money. The stripping of drums to sell individual components has been discussed countless times on this forum. Opinions on this subject have varied greatly from both sellers and buyers.
Yes, you're correct--I did mean "buyer." Thanks for catching that.I don't agree with your point of view here, though. You seem to be saying that a seller has the right to do things like misrepresent the condition of an item or use a shill bidder with impunity simply because I am not being forced to buy anything. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that. The fact that no one is holding a gun to my head is not a valid excuse for a seller to treat me unfairly or to engage in smarmy, greedy business practices. It's just a big rationalization for otherwise unsavory behavior.
I felt I wanted to chime in on this, don't know if anyone actually cares but here it is. Ebay is a giant waste of time today. So many sellers lie about what you are getting. Do you have any idea how many times I have ordered something and it isn't what I thought or the description being right. I ordered ball joints, inner and outer tie rods for my truck and there was sand in them. They were individually packaged and I don't understand. They told me I pay for shipping to return them, pay a restocking fee and they will credit my account or they will give me a "discount" on said parts.
There have also been a few good experiences, like I bought a charger for my laptop and several months later it died; I contacted the seller and they to my surprise sent me a new one a day later. Didn't have to return the old one, no proof, nothing. Just good business all the way. There are a few good sellers that will stand up to what they sell and such but there so few and far between.
As for the killing and mutilation of drumsets to make extra money I find it both stupid and greedy on the sellers part. You might not make as much but then again you are not destroying a piece of history. If the kit is missing all kind of parts...maybe, otherwise you sell the kit as a whole and call it good. It's just wrong to do. Anyway ill chime out and go back under my rock.
Did RINGO play one like it???? It's just like one JOHN BONHAM PLAYED?? All those guys who love john Bonham remember that him and his fat manager just about killed one of bill grahams people in a drunken blow up in Oakland,before a Day on the Green.. Yeah nice fellow who happened to play drums .....V
Yes, you're correct--I did mean "buyer." Thanks for catching that.I don't agree with your point of view here, though. You seem to be saying that a seller has the right to do things like misrepresent the condition of an item or use a shill bidder with impunity simply because I am not being forced to buy anything. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that. The fact that no one is holding a gun to my head is not a valid excuse for a seller to treat me unfairly or to engage in smarmy, greedy business practices. It's just a big rationalization for otherwise unsavory behavior.
I totally respect and appreciate your comments. Please allow me to clarify the fact that I DO NOT approve of sellers who misrepresent the condition of their items or the items themselves. As far as treating individuals unfairly, do I agree with it? Absolutely not! However, do I acknowledge that it happens? Absolutely! That's exactly why, as a buyer, I do all in my power to assure that I ask ALL the appropriate questions BEFORE pushing any buttons to purchase a questionable item. The one thing I can control is my actions. I have no control over another's. I've learned to worry about things that I can control, not those that I can't. A simple example is a seller who categorizes his item as being in "excellent" condition. Do you have any idea at all what that means? I certainly don't, especially without asking countless questions. I've learned that what one individual considers "excellent" another might consider to be "fair" to "good". Another one I've always loved is "good condition for its age". I'll never know what that one means. I can only guess that it means expect the worst but hope for the best. The old saying of "life isn't fair" is not only true but it also applies to a small (hopefully) group of unsavory characters selling products and services both on e-Bay as well as elsewhere. They've existed before we arrived and I've got no doubt that they'll be here when we check out. I stick by my "buyer beware" statement. I've enjoyed the discussion.
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