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Cast hoops? Last viewed: 11 hours ago

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Hey Guys.

I have a cheap little piccolo snare that sounds great. But, I was curious how it might sound with cast hoops on it. Then I was wondering if my Montinei would also sound better (is that possible??) with cast hoops.

Since neither is any vintage collectible (and anyway, this is completely reversible obviously), I am interested in the 'cheap & cheerful' approach.

Where would anyone suggest I get 8-lug 13" and 8-lug 14" batter and snare hoops that are cast? Used is fine, and so is new. I just want to try them out, so I'm being cheap here...Yes Sir I'd prefer they not look like they came from a land-fill, but, I'm flexible.

Thank you all in advance!

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
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Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
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Jim, The 14/8 set shouldn't take too long to find on Ebay. If you monitor the category for a bit, you'll soon spot a bargain here and there. Takes patience. Hunting is hunting whether it's deer, or drum parts. Just have to wait it out.

The 13/8 may prove to be a bit more difficult. 13 is a 'tom-size' and most cast hoops come in 13/6. I'm sure there are some 13/8 snare sets out there, it just 'may take a bit longer' to find a set, (as opposed to finding the 14/8 set.)

I'll keep my eyes open for you. If I see anything I'll pm you the info.

Happy hunting!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
#2
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Thanks, John.

I looked in the Gibraltar catalog and they offer 14-8 and 13-8 hoops (top and bottom) as well as 14-10 top and bottom cast hoops. The pictures show the standard flange hoops but I suspect they are actually cast ones.

Just throwing that out there for those lurking who may have the same ideas as me...

I am still looking at used, as this will be the less expensive way to go.Cool Dude

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
#3
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J!m, try drum factory direct too. They sell new die cast hoops made by Cannon.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
#4
Posts: 1427 Threads: 66

Thanks! I'll check them out.Excited

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
#5
Posts: 5356 Threads: 87

http://www.drumfactorydirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_7_63

They have a 13" 8 hole too.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
#6
Posts: 1427 Threads: 66

That site is dangerous! (but fun!)

I am up over a grand to build my 12-14-20 kit... Help2

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
#7
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Jim,

If you are just experimenting (and kudos to you for that by the way) then I would suggest only swapping the batter hoop for starters. That will be a much cheaper experiment and the end results will be pretty similar. I may be wrong, but I doubt the snare side rim has much of an overall impact on sound quality. There are some guys that swap out their batter side hoops depending on the gig or recording session just to change the character of a particular drum. Just a thought.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
#8
Posts: 1427 Threads: 66

That is a good, and cost-effective thought! Like swapping heads for a particular venue, why not swap rims at the same time, right?

This cheap piccolo I have is very difficult to make sound 'bad'. I am just curious as to the tonal changes with different hoops. I may look into sold brass hoops as well (just for fun). I think the Montineri would look a bit more substantial with cast hoops as well. I am also leaning toward the Remo Renaissance heads and try to make it even more articulate than it already is... (I run ambassadors now)

Why buy new drums when the ones I have can be used? (sort of a redundant statement around these parts I'm sure)

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
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