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Objectivity is subjective. Opinions will differ and arguments occasionally break out over whether or not somebody is being "objective".

I find it's best not to look for much consistency in advertising, and that's what a seller's description of an item for sale is all about. Thus terms like

[list]collector grade

[*]museum grade

[*]new old stock

[*]time machine

[*]player kit

[/list]

appear. Because of my belief I don't worry about that too much. It's just advertising.

For my own research I like a 5 point scale which I use for cymbals and always make it available with any raw data I supply. It is

[list]

NOS: new old stock = unused (also New In Box occasionally when packaging present)

[*]Mint: no evidence of wear

[*]Excellent: light use and taken care of

[*]Good: moderate use showing

[*]Fair: showing its age

[*]Poor: rough but usable, usually specific faults noted rather than "poor" coded

[/list]

This wouldn't work so well with drum kits where there are also issues as to whether the parts which make up the whole are all present and correct according to some standard. And my use of the scale is entirely subjective.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I think us drummers have it pretty good compared to collectors of other things,take guitars for instance.There are so many counterfit guitars out there,and the prices are really high compared to drums,and if you find a great guitar that is all original but essentially unplayable it is hard to refurb it without taking a serious hit money wise.As far as monetary goes,original is king,then condition,I think most would agree,but we can take a kit that has been modded and neglected,and get it looking good again and most importantly get it making music again,at a fraction of the cost it would take to get a classic car going again.I still love seeing a kit brought back to good cosmetic and especially playing condition,if it has some major dings that just adds character,if it has some mods who cares,it is playable again,if the bearing edges are re cut who cares as long as they sound good? Like the others say, play/collect what you like,appreciate what you have and spend whatever you are comfortable with.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Pretty ?

Probably not...

Kinda rare?

Maybe....

Collectable ?

Probably not to most....

Collectable to me ?

Heck yes.... !!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Ia'm both collector and player...for very rare snare's or set's these drums are in my collection and are not played alot if at all...My player drums are just that they could be from piece together set's re-covered re-edge ete...snare drums with wrong strainer's ete....Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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kevins nice stuff got to love it

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 14 years ago
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That wasn't Mike C's answer. It was mine.

What Would You Do
Posted on 14 years ago
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From jaghog

kevins nice stuff got to love it

Thanks , man !

Kevin
Posted on 14 years ago
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I play what I collect and Collect what I play!! It's a musical Instrument, and it should be played and enjoyed as it was built and manufactured to do! fortunately they so happen to also be some what of an Investment, so double GOODIE!!!!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Whew!!

Well, as the originator of this post, I would like to thank all who have replied so far.

My question was answered with the early responses, although my question was poorly stated by me.

The intent of my question was actually to address drums, not people, as "collectors" or "players".

I wanted to get a reading of how you folks view vintage drums not just necessarily in terms of monetary value, but historical value and importance to yourselves, and how that is affected by the condition of the drums.

Obviously, the post has received some rich responses.

To share my personal experience and thoughts, maybe I had developed the impression that for some, the "perfectly collectible" vintage kit or drum would be the one that is as close as possible to the factory fresh/mint/new condition right-out-of-the-box kit or drum that one wanted but never received as a child. I know that I had a lot of those wants. Maybe that impression is really a reflection of myself.

I am very fortunate to have been able to accumulate a few vintage kits over the years, all of which I have greatly appreciated. Most are imperfect. I perhaps was beginning to wonder about the importance that their imperfections might have to observers, without fully appreciating the importance to myself the opportunity to enjoy the drums while in my possession.

Thought - is it possible that “historical value” could be in the eyes of the beholder, perhaps the one who is appreciating the imperfections and wondering or imagining what thought process or set of circumstances might have taken place so many decades ago to have created that imperfection?

How about an early Gretsch jazz kit that was thrown in the trunk of a taxi in New York City to make a gig in mid-fifties? We're talking about the invention of the 20" bass drum to replace the 26" bass drum to accommodate this!

How about Ringo Starr walking into Ivor Arbitor's shop, and choosing the Ludwig Downbeat kit in Black Oyster Pearl because he liked it and it was in stock! (He originally wanted plain black but it was a six-week special order). That day changed the Ludwig Drum Company and their employees and the future of drummers all over the world forever!

The paper tags in my mid-sixties Rogers Holiday Dayton toms are signed by "Roy" - I'm sure with pride.

If you read the books written about the great American drum companies, you can gain great insight into the companies and their strategies, their endorsees and their employees of the time.

We may not celebrate these things on a national basis, but that doesn't mean they are not historically significant.

Your responses to this post have provided me with a reinforcement of my opinion that the drums of yesterday all have their own important history, deserve our respect, and can provide us with great pleasure, regardless of their condition - and although we may never know exactly what that history was, we know that their imperfections are a reflection of the experience they have provided to their owners throughout the years, and will continue to do so.

To me, this means that over time, we as well will eventually have become a part of their history (and they a part of ours). Moreover, if cared for they will likely survive us, to serve those who possess them in the future.

Thanks again for your responses!

John

50's Gretsch RB 13/16/20 w/Matching Snare Midnight Blue Pearl
60's Gretsch Jasper RB Progressive Jazz Silver Sparkle
Rogers Dayton Top Hat Silver Glass Glitter w/Powertone
'65 Ludwig Super Classic 12/13/16/16/22 Blue Sparkle with Supraphonic 400 Rescue Kit
Slingerland Pre-Badge/Pre-Vent Hole 12/14/18 Blue Agate Pearl w/Matching Snare
No-name MIJ 12/16/20 Red Sparkle Rescue Kit
Tama Starclassic Birch 6-piece Red Aztec Fade w/Matching Snare
Posted on 14 years ago
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