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I've been a lurker for a few weeks and decided to jump into the fire!

Ok, so I am a "dabbling" drummer; I can play, I love to play, but I'm not a trained "drummer" by any stretch. I really just need to play for completion! I multitrack all my own compositions and therefore need a decent kit to do so.

Anyway, a little history: I learned how to play drums on my friends old vintage Ludwig kit back in the early 90s. Playing came very natural to me, although I am a lefty so I had to Phil Collins my way through... At the time, even though we were sort-of playing on a gold sparkle vintage kit, we thought the kit was a total piece of sh*t. It only had the bass drum and tom tom, no mounting hardware, some lousy snare drum that we painted red (don't even ask) and a dented up old crash cymbal that sounded like sheet metal. We were teenagers and had no appreciation! That, and the set was given to him by his uncle or something so it was a freebie. We ended up replacing the Ludwig a year or so later with a bottom-rung CB Percussion kit. To us, it was a complete kit so it was better...The Band

FF - I bought a cheap, probably MIJ kit in the late 90s to play with a band at the time, and it wasn't horrible, but it was just a standard junk store kit complete with a Sabian B8 cymbal pack (I still have the ride). I finally got sick of using garbage and dropped about 9 bills on a Yamaha Stage Custom Advantage in 2002, which at the time came with the 8" tom making the kit a 6pc. I've slowly upgraded my hardware and cymbals but for the amount of playing I do, it wasn't worth having all the best stuff. I've recorded the kit numerous times and it sounded pretty good, even in my basement. But as I got through my 20's into my 30's, I began to appreciate vintage equipment and the quality most of it had. Everything from guitars, to keyboards and synths, I started going back in time and really appreciating what I felt was a better sound and quality instrument. I didn't jump on the bandwagon at all; I then realized there was a huge resurgence of retro/vintage gear around the same time I was getting into it.

So now, I'm looking for a small, vintage kit. I recently bought a house and am building a studio in the basement. I love the sound of an old Ludwig or Slingerland kit, but I don't have the cash to drop on these at the moment with all the inflation and the market for vintage gear. So I'm looking for recommendations on what might suit me for relatively cheap, that I would enjoy. I'd even be willing to dump my stage custom for the right kit, but I have learned the hard way too many times after selling off gear I regret now. I particularly like the dry sounds of the 60s and late 70s.

Sorry for the long first post; if you read this far, I appreciate it. Look forward to being part of the vintage drum community!

Mike

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 13 years ago
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From tubmyk2

I've been a lurker for a few weeks and decided to jump into the fire! Mike

Pleased to meet you, welcome to the 'heat'!

Before you run out to purchase anything, lurk about for a bit and decide just exactly what it is your looking for. As far as prices go, things at the moment are less expensive now then I've seen in quite some time.

Once you decide on the the type and brand of kit, start searching. If you've got loads of cash to toss at this (probably not since you've just purchased a house) it will be easy. If you don't, it might take a bit longer. Get something and restore it yourself... that's my recommendation. You'll find out more about the thing as you look for parts or whatever is needed, and you'll find out what made them tic, and appreciate the outfit more.

Ask tons of questions: I'm not really an expert... I've just been around long enough that much of what is discussed here was new when I was coming up. But there are experts here that will impress you down to your socks.

Look for the anomaly drums if your budget is tight. As an example; Ludwig made a range of drums in the late 60's called 'Ludwig Standards'. These have the same shells as a Ludwig Classic, with different hardware. With similar heads, it's hard to tell the difference between the two.

Learn, have fun and restore. It's always good to get some old 'junker' from someones garage and make it sing again. You may very well be amazed at the condition some of the kits were found in, that are now on stage and driving guys with high end modern kits crazy because they 'just can't get that sound'.

My recommendation on your Yamaha kit is to keep it if you can.

Have fun!

fishwaltz
Posted on 13 years ago
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Mike,

Welcome to the forum! I "lurked" around for months before I chimed in. No doubt some wish I was only still lurking!Coffee Break2

Fishwaltz gave excellent advice, and I "ditto" it.

Now, the "shark" part...

IF you're interested, I just sold a 70s Pearl Wood-fiberglass kit (standard 22/16/13/12) on eBay last night for $305 (includes shipping). I've not only got another one in that same price range, but I've also got a couple of Pearl fiberglass kits of the same era (and same price range).

The sound is not nearly as "warm" as the 60s/70s 3 ply w/rerings Ludwigs and Slingerlands, but good sound none-the-less.

I've also got Ludwigs and Slingerlands, but nothing "ready" yet.

Let me know if you're interested... and again, welcome!

Bill

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 13 years ago
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Welcome to the forum!

There are deals out there to be had look on Craigslists and the likes.

Slingerland stuff generally sells a little cheaper than the other vintage American brands so I would suggest starting there. (although I am very biased I love anything Slingerland)

As everybody has said there are some serious experts on this site, sit back and enjoy the ride!

1973 Slingerland Phantom 13,16,22
Late 30s Slingerland Radio King- 7x14
SJC Custom Snare Pink Sparkle- 8x14
62 Slingerland COB Radio King- 5x14
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks so much for the replies!

I think I'm more interested in finding a Slingerland, personally. Not sure why, that's what I have to keep researching. These things can truly become obsessions! I didn't research my Yamaha kit much at all at the time, more so because 'anything is better than that piece of junk' I was using :)

What about some of these MIJ kits like Apollo, etc? Are they the equivalent of a cheapo Sunlite-type kit of today?

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 13 years ago
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I do have an assortment of sizes of Slingerland shells. Most of them candidates for rewrappin'.

IMO, the MIJs of the 60s/early 70s have their current counterparts beat, hands down.

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 13 years ago
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From tubmyk2

Thanks so much for the replies!I think I'm more interested in finding a Slingerland, personally. Not sure why, that's what I have to keep researching. These things can truly become obsessions! I didn't research my Yamaha kit much at all at the time, more so because 'anything is better than that piece of junk' I was using :) What about some of these MIJ kits like Apollo, etc? Are they the equivalent of a cheapo Sunlite-type kit of today?

PM sent......

And, welcome to the forum!

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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yes; welcome to the forum. no mention yet of any European brands? In the 1960's there were about 20 active drum mfg. in Europe. Quite a few of them exported to N.A. They are around and almost always at prices that are often lower than MIJ stuff------certainly lower than comparable American drums. The build quality,aesthetics,feel and sound qualities of most of them are as good as anything made and most of the innovations in hardware came out of Europe and are now widely copied. Look for Ajax,Autocrat,some old Premiers,Sonor, Trixon,Edgware, Meazzi,Hayman,Beverley. There are often real deals to be had with these because they are often unknowns to the seller---- and most will be far from entry level.

there is lots of support and parts sourcing from this forum and a lot of expertise. good luck .

Posted on 13 years ago
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