Aside from the "I hate the bulky hardware" or "the big R badge looks stupid" what real reasons exist to explain the lack of value for the Big R drums. Part of me is happy that the re-sale market is low as I have recently purchased two Big R kits (one four piece XP8 in midnight mist and one five piece 5 ply in the Koa finish) and they are amazing drums that were purchased for about $800 combined. But, I have not heard one legitimate reason (aside from the two listed above) that explains why MINT, factory complete five and six piece kits (without snare) sell between $375-$500. Or, are the two reasons listed above actually the reason that they do not sell for much. I'm hard pressed to think that a particular style of badge could lessen the value that much. I was a kid in the 70's and did not experience first hand what the public's perception was. When I bought my first drum set in 1985, I had to have a TAMA and had never even heard of Rogers.
Give me on good reason why Roger's Big R drums are not valuable? Last viewed: 4 hours ago
Maybe it's just the so-so wraps/finishes. KOA or butcher block is a dated look unfortunately and the silver, blue mist wraps are not dazzling as the sparkles or the oyster finishes or natural wood. Cosmetics aside, the XP8s could be the best sounding drums ever made. And that's what's the most important thing. You did good.
Maybe it's just the so-so wraps/finishes. KOA or butcher block is a dated look unfortunately and the silver, blue mist wraps are not dazzling as the sparkles or the oyster finishes or natural wood. Cosmetics aside, the XP8s could be the best sounding drums ever made. And that's what's the most important thing. You did good.
Great point. A 70's Ludwig kit in white cortex will sell for only half of what a green sparkle kit sells for. I guess it could be that simple. Were the drum manufacturers dictating the type of wraps or was there a demand for solid color wraps? Again, I was too young. Was it less expensive to produce a solid colored wrap than a sparkle or pearl wrap?
Great point. A 70's Ludwig kit in white cortex will sell for only half of what a green sparkle kit sells for. I guess it could be that simple. Were the drum manufacturers dictating the type of wraps or was there a demand for solid color wraps? Again, I was too young. Was it less expensive to produce a solid colored wrap than a sparkle or pearl wrap?
Well tastes change on what looks cool and sparkle in the 70s were starting to fall out of favor and solid wraps were what people were after ...
What makes a black oyster pearl Ludwig drum worth the money it's worth? Is it intrinsic value or is it sentimental value?
I'm going to state that it's purely sentimental.
The reason big R Rogers drums don't have the same value is because they don't have the sentimental value of other drums.
The intrinsic value of a 5 piece kit of older used drums seems to hover around $400-$700 from what I see.
They are great drums. I think the badge is fugly but they are great drums.
What makes a black oyster pearl Ludwig drum worth the money it's worth? Is it intrinsic value or is it sentimental value?
I agree totally. Black oysters were being pumped out of Ludwig factory 24/7 for period in the mid 1960s, no? There should be more these out there than others but their value is insane... :)
What makes a black oyster pearl Ludwig drum worth the money it's worth? Is it intrinsic value or is it sentimental value?I'm going to state that it's purely sentimental.The reason big R Rogers drums don't have the same value is because they don't have the sentimental value of other drums.The intrinsic value of a 5 piece kit of older used drums seems to hover around $400-$700 from what I see.They are great drums. I think the badge is fugly but they are great drums.
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LOTS of people say the Big R shells are the exact same as 60's Holiday....I don't buy that for a second...
someone should weight them,to start......I will bet the Holidays are heavier....just from the LEAD paint inside alone.....
LOTS of people say the Big R shells are the exact same as 60's Holiday....I don't buy that for a second...someone should weight them,to start......I will bet the Holidays are heavier....just from the LEAD paint inside alone.....
Never heard of that, but I have heard/read that the XP8 shells were of the highest quality, up there with anything that Rogers had made before. But it was to little too late for the survival of the company.
Maybe there in lies another psychological crossroads, those drums are associated with the demise of the company(or at least it's meltdown into a Asian joke).
I proudly own a set of these gorgeous drums, and I have recorded with them. They are delicious in the studio I can tell you!
The Ploughman if he's still about could probably tell you more. He's a keen collector of Big R period snares.
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
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No doubt in my mind that they were well made and nice sounding drums. I do think that they "lost the plot" with their wrap choices very early 70's.. I found that from early 70's on, none of their wraps appealed to me at all, "bland" like Tama. Give me a 60's WMP Rogers any day..
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John
Reminds me... I had a front row seat at a Roy Burns Clinic mid 70's in Sydney.... As well as his playing, the Rogers Kit sounded phenomenal...
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
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