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The edge and re-ring shown on the interior shot almost look European to me. Similar to Italian made Meazzi and possibly some Premier drums if I am remembering correctly. Taking that into consideration, I would guess that it is a Carlton Standard or a Premier. This still does not explain why it would be missing the badge and the flat side of the tube balls. Maybe an early production. Again, all guesses.

Then again, the re-ring and edge also look like they could be late 20's Slingerland, as already mentioned.

In the photo attached (which is a Premier drum), it almost looks like the tube balls could have that flat side, but it is hard to tell.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From drewdrum1

The edge and re-ring shown on the interior shot look European to me. Similar to Italian made Meazzi and possibly some Premier drums if I am remembering correctly. Taking that into consideration, I would guess that it is a Carlton Standard or a Premier. This still does not explain why it would be missing the badge and the flat side of the tube balls. Maybe an early production. Again, all guesses.In the photo attached (which is a Premier drum), it almost looks like the tube balls could have that flat side, but it is hard to tell.

You may be onto something here. The tube lugs in your photo do look flat. I had suspicions that the drum might be European. The bake-lite grommet seemed pretty original to me and there definitely was never a badge present. The tension rods in your photo look similar to Leedy rods of the early 1920's.

Someone suggested that I check for "Made in England" on the back of the strainer. The strainer looks identical to every Slingerland strainer I've seen from 1928-1938 but who knows? I'll have to remove it and see if there are any markings.

The rim clips on the green drum have a slightly flattened front as opposed to the oval or rounded American clips. I'd be curious to know if European clips are like that.

Thanks to everyone for your input. Hopefully, the mystery will be solved soon!

Posted on 12 years ago
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A couple thoughts: first, the tension rods may point to American. I'm no expert on European drums from the 20s, but most stuff I've seen from across the pond (Trixon, Premier, Sonor) have all leaned towards slotted head T-rods (and metric threads.) Do the tubes accept standard American thread rods? Maybe Carlton used English threads? Also, not as much Maple across the Atlantic- more Birch and Beech. Looking at that shell construction, I'm voting Slingerland... Just saying.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Mookie

A couple thoughts: first, the tension rods may point to American. I'm no expert on European drums from the 20s, but most stuff I've seen from across the pond (Trixon, Premier, Sonor) have all leaned towards slotted head T-rods (and metric threads.) Do the tubes accept standard American thread rods? Maybe Carlton used English threads? Also, not as much Maple across the Atlantic- more Birch and Beech. Looking at that shell construction, I'm voting Slingerland... Just saying.

I'll have to check and see if the threads are standard U.S. type. As far as wood, I'm pretty sure this is maple. I'm not real good at determining types of wood. Is it possible it's solid one ply birch or beech? It is a rather pale wood but so is maple. Thanks for your information and suggestions.

I'll search for more clues.

Posted on 12 years ago
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The Capri Carlton on Mikes drum was also chromium. Didn't have the stamp

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Gary N

The Capri Carlton on Mikes drum was also chromium. Didn't have the stamp on the back side of the parts. His drum has just a grommet too. The hoops were marked Carlton. Maybe the hoops were changed out over all these years? Like the wrong extension lever for the throw.I've seen these stamps on olde Rogers from NJ but always in nickel. Check your butt plate back chunk of metal as well:

Thanks, Gary. Yes, I am going to remove those parts and see if there are any markings.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I been watching this thread too, and if it`s Brittish, I would rule out Premier and Dallas but not B&H because it looks Ajax-ish to me, the solid shell, Leedy throw, were both imported to them. I don`t see enough interior shell to see if it`s German, which might explain the flats and the Leedy looking throw. Most German hooks were two piece forged or welded !i

A missing foil badge may explain that mystery. The big German names would be marked.

Just throwing sh*t out to see if it jogs a receptor lose !i

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Leedy, Slingerland and even Gretsch had throws like that. I think Carlton originated it though. I've got Carltons, Premiers and Ajaxs from the '30s, and it doesn't look like any of them, and they all have badges. I'm thinking it's a '20s drum, but the make is drawing a blank.

Good luck

Stephen

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From relayer

Leedy, Slingerland and even Gretsch had throws like that. I think Carlton originated it though. I've got Carltons, Premiers and Ajaxs from the '30s, and it doesn't look like any of them, and they all have badges. I'm thinking it's a '20s drum, but the make is drawing a blank.Good luckStephen

I was thinking that since Ajax was importing the two piece Black Beauty shell from USA that when Leedy sold it`s Quick Throw over in England to B&H that later drums of wood could be constructed similar to this one. It`s just thought now, but possible.

I saw these 1928 Ajax drums that look similar in alot of ways, so they had the trim. The flat top tube lugs don`t match but little is known of 29/30`s Ajax !i All other Brittish drums from the 20`s/30`s are not even similar at all !i

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 12 years ago
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Ajax Boosey & Hawkes is my guess I owned one and it took me a bit to identify it. It has a very simular rim on the inside as the one i owned. Just a guess, good luck and a very nice snare.

Posted on 12 years ago
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