Got an old 22, 13, 16 kit. Wondering how I could set this drum set up for Led Zep I type of sound, for those familiar with that particular recording.
Let's start with batter side toms. Single or double ply?
Next, let's discuss kick prep. Assuming double ply on batter side. Also, what type of muffling prep would you guys think he used? Anything inside the drum? The kick on that recording sounds like it has some muffling even if a little.
It's a combination of a few things. Mostly, I believe your sound comes from your hands. But Jeff Ochletree would know and here's what he has to say . . .
[ame]http://youtu.be/LMqHqADnREY[/ame]
[QUOTE=troutstudio;318506]It's a combination of a few things. Mostly, I believe your sound comes from your hands. But Jeff Ochletree would know and here's what he has to say . . .
+ 1 to Trout! this video is Great!
Thanks Trout. Indeed I've seen that clip. What got me thinking is the fact that I'm running the smaller sizes (22, 13, 16) so I'm wondering if the same concept would still apply to the bass drum. He tuned the large kick high, but I'm not sure if high tuning would sound that great on a 22. Almost thinking that he went with more medium tuning on the first record.
Thanks Trout. Indeed I've seen that clip. What got me thinking is the fact that I'm running the smaller sizes (22, 13, 16) so I'm wondering if the same concept would still apply to the bass drum. He tuned the large kick high, but I'm not sure if high tuning would sound that great on a 22. Almost thinking that he went with more medium tuning on the first record.
Follow your instincts. But as you seem to already know, it's the bottom head tighter than the top that produces that boom. I like Emporers, though I tune standard.
I believe the first album was recorded with a 22, 13, 16 set up IIRC.
Mr Ocheltree was NOT around for any of Zeps recordings Bonham mainly tuned his own kits, Jimmy Page has stated this on many occasions during interviews. If anyone knows it would be Mick Hinton, now sadly passed.
I heard he used shredded news paper in his bass drum for studio recordings if that helps, also heard he lined the bass drum with silver foil on his early kit (pre Thermogloss) Green sparkle in 22 13 16 in an attempt to make it louder (as if he needed to be louder). Never saw one of his kits with a felt strip on the front! ever.
The video above is helpful for sure but not accurate it is only Ocheltree's take on what he thought Bonham might have done but hey he sold a few DVD's of the back of his very minor Zeppelin experience.
The snare used was rumoured to be a 1920's brass tube lug Ludwig snare 6.5 x 14, but again this is subject to opinion.
He also used LM 400 snares there are early pictures where you can see one sitting on the floor next to his kit probably as a backup in case of head breakage.
Chris
Mr Ocheltree was NOT around for any of Zeps recordings Bonham mainly tuned his own kits, Jimmy Page has stated this on many occasions during interviews. If anyone knows it would be Mick Hinton, now sadly passed.I heard he used shredded news paper in his bass drum for studio recordings if that helps, also heard he lined the bass drum with silver foil on his early kit (pre Thermogloss) Green sparkle in 22 13 16 in an attempt to make it louder (as if he needed to be louder). Never saw one of his kits with a felt strip on the front! ever.The video above is helpful for sure but not accurate it is only Ocheltree's take on what he thought Bonham might have done but hey he sold a few DVD's of the back of his very minor Zeppelin experience.The snare used was rumoured to be a 1920's brass tube lug Ludwig snare 6.5 x 14, but again this is subject to opinion.He also used LM 400 snares there are early pictures where you can see one sitting on the floor next to his kit probably as a backup in case of head breakage.Chris
I accept what you are saying; but I think everything he says makes complete sense to me. When he hits those drums in the video, I hear Bonham. But as I have also said many times before, your sound is mostly in your hands.
there have been very few bonzo style drummers out here, but I guess in my opinion you had to be there in that time; to fully understand his impact; on all of us drummers, from the casual garage band to the studio, and professional, as i recall when a guitar decided to do zep songs you had very little choice in what he knew or wanted to learn so you were forced to play through the rehearsal as good as you could , the way of it was, if the phrase struck a chord with you as it did some of us you aggressively pursued the back side of it, to get as close to beat as you could, that being said today's musician is maybe a little too schooled to try and achieve the innovated techniques of the world of Bonham R.I.P.
