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Help me identify the kit please Last viewed: 2 hours ago

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That makes sence, to prevent sagging and bounce. I can see the poles on each side of it. I also see that cymbal stand cast at the bottom, that`s back in again. The snare boarders on pancake and if that`s a tunning wheel on the butt side sticking up, I`ve seen that on German drums !!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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It also looks like all the rack toms only have four lugs,...that`s strange !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From calfskin

Lefima has had a bit of a roller coaster history. They do indeed date from way back----no reason to doubt 1861 but since they were in East Germany after the war, they fell prey to the managed economy , forced expropriation and consolidation with Trowa( the company that suceeded Sonor, in the same factory). Lefima continued in production after the merger but produced drums much like Trowa and the later post merger Tacton. A lot of the parts were the same , the shells the same but there were some differences. Eventually the company departed for the West and started anew-----a very similar story to the Sonor one but taking place later . Here is a guess on these drums. I have never seen any like this but perhaps they bought the parts from the orient to get an entry level kit on the market, during the rebuilding phase. All other Lefimas, I have seen, have distinctive lugs unconfusable with any others( except Trowa in the 50's and 60's---which are the lugs on the white kit pictured ).They haven't made kits for at least 20 years and now are concentrating on developments in marching and orchestral instruments, which has been their forte. They are one of the world's leading Tympani makers and responsible for quite a few innovations. I have a couple of Lefima snaredrums(one East German and one West German); both very very good.

Great information :)

I don't think that this kit is a "Lefima", rather (as there is no badge) some no name 80's MIT.

The snare however is a "Lefima" and the badge, stating "Made in Germany" would date it to either before the WW2 (No way!) or later than the reunion of Germany, october-90. During the period between the war and the reunion, the badge most likely would have read "Made in East Germany" (DDR) or "Made in West Germany".

BTW, found another pic of a cool 1958 Lefima kit on the net :)

/Johan M

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Posted on 13 years ago
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The lugs on the snare are also the Taiwan, Pearl style lugs. It does look like the snare and bass drum belong together. Date wise, yes ,it is probably after reunification and either Lefima bought entry level parts from Taiwan or possibly , someone has put a Lefima badge on a Taiwanese drum? I don't think I have ever seen a Lefima drum that was that plain and basic. They usually have at least 8 lugs, on a standard lugged kit. I don't think I've ever seen triple flange hoops on a Lefima, either. Maybe this was a shortlived attempt to reenter the drumkit market or is a fake.

The zebra kit, above is a Tromsa, by the way. Both Lefima and Tromsa used similar double ended stamped lugs for their mid-range kits.The lugs are very similar,but there is a difference. Also the bass drum has the fairly uncommon Tromsa, pointy ended bass T-rods that look like Gretsch T-rods. There are a few other features that point to Tromsa but Lefima, do look similar.Lefima hoops are also different, with a taller slightly angled in, upright section.

As far as the 50's white silk stripe Lefima above----here is a Trowa Dixie, previously posted. Note the same steel bar link on the toms and the same shark tooth style lugs. I think they came out of the same factory or had shared production.http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41637&d=1333532403

Posted on 13 years ago
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Calfskin wrote:

"The zebra kit, above is a Tromsa, by the way. Both Lefima and Tromsa used similar double ended stamped lugs for their mid-range kits"

Oops...This teaches me not to trust the internet...or at least parts of it ;)

I'm sure your right, I found it on another drummers forum and just assumed the guy knew what it was. Thanks for all your input, I keep learning more and more. I'd love to try that Trowa Dixie, real sweet :)

/Johan M

70's Slingerland, 13,14,18,24" Copper wrap
70's Pearl Wood/fiberglass 12,13,13,14,16,18,22,24" Red
70's Pearl Fiberglass shells 12,13,16, 22" White
70's Hayman, 13,14,16,22" Black
60's Hoshino, 13,16,20" WMP
2009 Ludwig element, 10,12,13,16,22" Orange
Posted on 13 years ago
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These badges are pretty close, both in size and message. Mine is 77 !!

Mine is between war and reunion and only says Made in Germany !!

I think that Lefima badge is original to the shell !!

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It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Thank you for these vast amounts of information. As for lugs on a snare, they are indeed copies of pearl. It seems that the shell is original, but the lugs aren't. Snare is useless because it has old lefima hols for lugs, and new for those pearl copies. Shame.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Is a shame,..somone someday will be looking for that badge !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Astroida

Thank you for these vast amounts of information. As for lugs on a snare, they are indeed copies of pearl. It seems that the shell is original, but the lugs aren't. Snare is useless because it has old lefima hols for lugs, and new for those pearl copies. Shame.

I guess that solves the mystery. It's a modified Lefima snare ,hitched to a Taiwanese bassdrum. I think the hoops are added on as well. ----maybe the throw, too? It should be a nice shell, anyway. Lefima has a website. I have seen some pretty topshelf Lefima snaredrums over the past 10 years or so----ever since I became aware of them.

If the throw is original, you could plug those Pearl lug mounting holes with dowels.The drum might be worth rewrapping and restoring. Lefima lugs show up every now and then on ebay.de. Occasionally , st drums gets stuff like that in as well.

Posted on 13 years ago
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