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The Ludwig rail consolette I've got on one of my pre-serial keystone-badged kits doesn't tighten the L-arm sufficiently to mount my rack tom.

I took a closer look at it and, unless I'm mistaken, the hex nut on the upper portion of the mount is a replacement. I thought that might be causing the problem, assuming that it wasn't applying enough pressure on the clip that holds the L-arm. I decided to pick up another hex nut. What I purchased was a replacement hex nut used for Ludwig mount P1216-D. I discovered that the nut was too large for the hex bolt currently on the assembly. Now I'm thinking that the hex bolt I've got might also be a replacement OR that the hex nut I purchased was intended for the rack tom mount but NOT the rail consolette. If anyone can tell me if it's intended to fit both the Ludwig rack tom mount AND the Ludwig rail consolette I'd really appreciate it.

If anybody happens to have either an "extra" correct hex bolt or hex nut for the upper portion of my rail consolette I'd love to hear from you. If you happen to know where I might be able to purchase either or both of these, I'd also like to hear from you.

THANKS in advance for your time and your help!

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Posted on 11 years ago
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gary

it is my understanding that the two hexnuts for the rail and the one on the tom itself are the same hexnuts. on the few kits that I have with rails, they are also the same. doesn't mean they didn't make some different though. maybe some other members can shed some light on this as well..

mike

Posted on 11 years ago
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From mlayton

garyit is my understanding that the two hexnuts for the rail and the one on the tom itself are the same hexnuts. on the few kits that I have with rails, they are also the same. doesn't mean they didn't make some different though. maybe some other members can shed some light on this as well..mike

Hi, Mike!

Thanks (again) for your input. I appreciate it. Since the hex nuts that I just bought were a little too big for the hex bolt currently on the kit I went down to my local ACO hardware and purchased a new hex nut and bolt. Both are slightly smaller than the prior hex nut I purchased. They didn't sell a larger hex bolt that would fit both the clip and the hex nut I already had.

Well, I just installed them on the assembly but the clip still doesn't tighten the L-arm sufficiently for me to mount my tom. This situation is driving an old man like me crazy (lol)!

I'm open to any and all "words of wisdom". I've been thinking of trying to "squeeze" the top portion of the clip to improve the situation. With my luck, I'd wreck the whole thing. We desperate people have a tendency to do desperate things!:confused:

Posted on 11 years ago
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I've had similar issues with some Gretsch rail mounts. Mine work but there isn't much wiggle room. Basically I have to tighten it until both metal pieces are touching. If I were you I'd go one of two routes either A) squeeze it like you mention (I don't see the harm as it's not working as is.) Or B) buy all or part of the Maxwell rail and replace the top portion of yours. Although it is more like the later Ludwig rail mount it's a better design. I did that for one of my Gretsch rails although replacing just the bottom as that was the part with the issue in that particular case. Hope that helps!

Posted on 11 years ago
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From BuddyLudwig

I've had similar issues with some Gretsch rail mounts. Mine work but there isn't much wiggle room. Basically I have to tighten it until both metal pieces are touching. If I were you I'd go one of two routes either A) squeeze it like you mention (I don't see the harm as it's not working as is.) Or B) buy all or part of the Maxwell rail and replace the top portion of yours. Although it is more like the later Ludwig rail mount it's a better design. I did that for one of my Gretsch rails although replacing just the bottom as that was the part with the issue in that particular case. Hope that helps!

Thanks for your time and your input! I was hoping to keep the assembly "all original" to go with the rest of the kit. However, if the old "squeeze technique" doesn't do the trick I might take your suggestion in regard to the Maxwell rail. I've actually purchased a couple of those for a Camco kit of mine as well as a Slingerland kit and have been very happy with the results.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From OldSchool

Thanks for your time and your input! I was hoping to keep the assembly "all original" to go with the rest of the kit. However, if the old "squeeze technique" doesn't do the trick I might take your suggestion in regard to the Maxwell rail. I've actually purchased a couple of those for a Camco kit of mine as well as a Slingerland kit and have been very happy with the results.

Just checked the Maxwell site. It looks like the parts I'd need are currently out of stock. Time to start "squeezing", I guess.

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Well tell you what since they're out of stock I still have the upper portion to mine that I'm not using, if you want we can work something out to get that down to you.

Posted on 11 years ago
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I replied in your other post too- (differently)...

Anyway, try a piece of brown paper bag between the rail and clamp and then tighten it down.

Particularly with clean, polished parts, often there is too little friction without getting all medieval on the parts... Just need something in there to tighten it a bit and add some friction!

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I was gonna suggest a thin wrap of copper on your L-arm; it might mash in there & put the squeeze on pretty tight......marko

Posted on 11 years ago
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From BuddyLudwig

Well tell you what since they're out of stock I still have the upper portion to mine that I'm not using, if you want we can work something out to get that down to you.

Good Morning,

I've just forwarded a PM. Thanks!

Posted on 11 years ago
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