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How does your group divide the pay? Last viewed: 7 hours ago

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I need some advice or guidance on how band pay is split up.

Since I joined this band, the pay has always been an equal four-way split, as are common band expenses, such as advertising, etc.

Now, the guy who owns the PA and sets it up wants an extra share for providing that “service”. He says he has extra expenses to buy the equipment, extra time to set it up, etc. Other band members have offered to assist with set up and tear down, but he is picky and doesn’t want any help.

While I feel that him getting a little extra would be fair, I think an extra full share is too much, equating to him getting paid double what everyone else gets.

And BTW, as the drummer, I carry more equipment, and it takes me longer to set up than it does him.

How do you handle this in your bands?

My kit:
Ludwig Vistalite Big Beat set consisting of:
14” X 22” bass, 16” X 16” floor tom, 8” X 12” ride tom, 9” X 13” ride tom, 5” X 14” snare
Ludwig 201 Speed King bass drum pedal
Ludwig 1124 Spur-lok hit-hat with Ludwig Standard Paiste 14” cymbals (760 & 770 gr) with ching-ring
Two Ludwig Standard S-270 cymbals stands
18” Zildjian crash cymbal (1550 gr) and 20” Zildjian ride cymbal (2130 gr) with CAMCO sizzler
Gibraltar motorcycle seat-style drum throne with backrest
Posted on 12 years ago
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Who ever brings the most vintage drums gets the most pay.LOL

Actually whatever you and your band decide is the rule for you. I played in a band that made each guy buy part of the sound system or lights and carry it to each gig. If you left the band you take your stuff with you and the new guy has to buy the speaker or subwoofer or whatever and carry it to gigs.

If you played flute you wouldn't get less than an equal share. If you sing and need a PA then maybe that's your "instrument".

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 12 years ago
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That's bull kucka! I play in a 9 piece gb band with horns and male/female vocals and a sound engineer. We all split evenly because we all committed ourselves to be at that gig. The rhythm section plays on every song while the vocals are back and forth between male and female and the horns sit out on the songs that don't have horns. So technically we should get more because we play more but I'm fine with that because if it was different someone's gonna start complaining. If the band is anything is less than equal, there isn't a band. someone's gonna get ticked and walk away.

As far as what to say to the PA owner, I can't help you there. If you don't like it you may want to start searching for something else. I do understand though that a bum gig is better than no gig and if you like the band you're in it's a bummer that one person is causing money drama. I'm sure you all have a lot of money invested in your instruments and to seriously pull the "I do more so I'll take more money" scheme is unfair. I wouldn't want to be in that band.

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1971 Slingerland Avante 60N Lavender Satin Flame
1976/7 Ludwig Vistalite 5pc Yellow
1980's Ludwig Rocker 5pc Black
2004 Gretsch Catalina Birch Caribbean Blue
1998 Noble & Cooley Alloy Classic 14X4.75
1922 Bower Snare
Posted on 12 years ago
#3
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A great rhythm section is worth 86.7935% of any great project. Drummers make up 95% of the rhythm section. Do the math.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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Last man standing.

Posted on 12 years ago
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No band I've been in has ever demanded extra pay for bringing along their gear. We all know, drummers have it the worst. I think he's way out of line. It's not your fault that he's picky and won't let anyone assist him. Maybe invest in PA for the band that anyone can handle. Tell him he can just keep his stuff at home.

Stephen

Vintage Drum Student
Posted on 12 years ago
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Equal split, and the band should own the PA then each member brings his or her instrument amp, whatever to the gig...

Posted on 12 years ago
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I think pay should be equal, however, if the band requires a PA or lighting system then the following should apply:

A.) Either the band purchases said gear as a group asset

B.) The band should rent the gear as a band expense before the profits are spent as it is an expense just like advertisements, head shots or recording costs.

C.) If one member owns the gear then the gear should be rented from that member. Where this gets sticky is deciding on a "fair" rental rate. This can be very difficult. I would suggest that a lower than market rate rental should be considered fair as this member has a dedicated and, hopefully, long term "client." Now there are some things that should be made clear in this scenario. First of all if everyone in the band understands the necessity of options A and B then paying a member for option C should not be considered unfair. Unfortunately people often start to feel a little jealous about those additional payments being made but that should not be the case. Then it needs to be decided who should assist in the setting up and striking of gear. If it is a little system then that is probably not tht big a deal. I have been in bar bands that carried very seizable amount of gear and it was all hands on deck as we understood that the show was part of our success. Also you need to decide how to handle the inevitable repairs. Three options here:

1- all repairs are the responsibility of the gear owner. This generally means a higher rental rate.

2- all repairs are the responsibility of the lessee which is the band. This should be coupled with a lower rental rate.

3- normal wear and tear is handled by the lessor (the equipment owner) while other issues are handled as a band expense. This generally allows for a lower rental rate, however, this can cause a lot of issues when figuring out how to draw the proverbial line.

Lastly, do you expect your "audio company" to keep up with current technology? This probably does not apply if all you have is a powered mixer and a couple of speaker on stands.

Overall determining the rental rate is difficult. It will probably be calculated as return on investment over two to three years whatever works for you guys.

Look at it this way, you supply a drum kit and cymbals. The keyboard player supplies his gear (which can be heavy and very expensive) The bass player provides his gear, etc. A PA has to come from somewhere. If you don't want to pay this guy for his, do you want to rent one or just buy one for yourself for no profit?

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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I bought a PA specifically to earn money running sound. When booking a soundman gig for myself, I usually end up making more than the members of the band, but they pay me to come, set up my equipment, and run sound for them, which is more work than they do. (I mean, come on...they just have to set up and play music! Money for nothing!)

When providing my PA for use in a band that I'm in, I negotiate a PA rental fee. I bring it, set it up, and run it from the stage. If others offer to help, great, but sometimes that doesn't happen. Either way, I'm being compensated for storing/packing/bringing/running the additional gear. It makes sense to me. What DOESN'T make sense to me is people in a band being like, "Oh, come on, man, why don't you simply bring along all of this extra gear, have to arrive earlier, deal with the hassles of packing/setup/teardown/inventory, have to store it, maintain it, become proficient at using it, replace stuff when it breaks, etc...for free! Be a team player!" *shaking my head*

If you can't work something out with your band member, scrap the whole PA situation and hire a soundman every gig. You'll quickly find out it's probably more worth it to give your bandmate an extra share...

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1965 Ludwig Hollywood
1970 Ludwig Jazzette
Posted on 12 years ago
#9
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When I used to provide a pa for our small band, which was 2 15" speaker cabinets with horns on stands and a rolling rack with board, efx, and power amp I took $25 extra a gig and set it up. I would usually get a hand loading out.

If all you have is a basic PA I think $25 is fair for someone to bring and set it up for a gig. If it is some giant PA then you might consider more but what do you need for basic club gigs should not be that much.

Posted on 12 years ago
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