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is this jazzfest all original? Last viewed: 40 minutes ago

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Please let me know your thoughts on this. Looks like a ludwig pre-serial keystone jazzfest but the strainer does not have ludwig writing on it...are there p-83's with no ludwig mark?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170571643780&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

If the drum is all orig, would $350 be a fair price?

Thanks,

Mike

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Posted on 14 years ago
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For shame...some of the Ts are non-original. Tell him he might as well throw it in the trash....

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Posted on 14 years ago
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You know, that looks fishy to me. He is offering the snare in the ad for the entire kit, and is also offering FREE int. shipping, without knowing where they will go.....something ain't right in the 'hood with this.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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the strainer isn't ludwig it's slingerland as are the top tension rods the bottom ones are ludwig, too much money for this drum!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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ahhhh, just as I suspected. what a joke...

I know we've all heard it before but BUYER BEWARE, ESPECIALLY WITH EBAY!

Here I thought I had the perfect match to my bdp kit...

I am very thankful for this site as I hope many of the other member are....

it's nice to have knowledgable, honest people helping one another.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I'm also suspicious of the muffler. Not that you need more suspicion to make the case. It should have a red felt baseball bat (BB) muffler and I'm not sure that it has a BB at all. In all the pics the snare appears in it is carefully placed so the external control for the muffler doesn't appear. In the one pic where you can see in from the bottom it doesn't look like there is a tone control/muffler at all. In that pic you can also see monkey business happened when the strainer was changed.

Another issue is which panels the strainer, butt plate, and external muffler control sit on. The pattern they have is earlier then 1963, and looks like maybe 1960. The placement is different on my Jazz Festival. I'm not sure how much the panel location is diagnostic. But I wouldn't be convinced by what I see given my Jazz Festival is from November 18, 1963 (red date stamp) and this is reputed to be about the same time. And if this is guaranteed 100% original where does that leave the rest of the kit? FYI, mine cost about $270 in 2002

Posted on 14 years ago
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In the last pic, if you very carefully on the left side of said minty fresh snare, you can JUST make out a.....PEARL, very mid-70s Pearl muffler knob. So, this is still, to me an unanswered Q::: Where is the ad for the snare, separate from the kit? I see a scam happening to someone, somewhere. There is no mention of the snare being offered for sale in another ad. I have not, of course wasted my time past the first ad, looking at hi other offerings after reading his feedback.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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thanks again for everyone's analysis. There is no ad for the snare...I asked the seller for more pics & if he would be willing to sell snare by itself for $350.

He 'preferred to keep kit intact but would break it up for $400 + shipping'

I have since wished him good luck w. the sale.Toilet

Posted on 14 years ago
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Nice-looking set--if priced a bit ambitiously.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From jonnistix

In the last pic, if you very carefully on the left side of said minty fresh snare, you can JUST make out a.....PEARL, very mid-70s Pearl muffler knob.

Ah. I can see it now. Thanks. Mumble reading glasses. Mumble. That fits with the pic looking in from the bottom where there is a similar hint of something but not a BB muffler.

Posted on 14 years ago
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