I have a crimped snare bed and an orange peel prototype model. Both in 'cherry' condition. Wasn't thinking of selling them, but if I got the right offer...

Please don't ask me to put a price on them. If you really want them, make me an offer I can't refuse.

John

With all due respect John, I purchased your 4x14 Galaxy Sparkle Downbeat which you said was a "Cream Puff" with "No fade" However when I received the drum the finish was quite faded and the bottom COB hoop was in very poor condition. When I called you to see what could be done you were less than willing to make right on the sale. The fact that I sent a money order left me with No Protection as a buyer. You did teach me a valuable lesson however, and that is to be sure I have buyer protection, and for that I am thankful.

All do respect to clarify what the heck do you think your buying a factory nos drum give me a freaking break your lucky to of even found one for sale , let alone a member letting it go as far as hoops , say pal go find cob hoops in any condition , some of u guys just don't get it do you your like some of those eBay people maybe are you one! did I sell u a skb jazz ? if it's not perfect you go cry for a refund if I was John I'd buy it back just so you would not own it ! Geez and I haven't even had coffe yet...

Jahog - I notice you guys take up for each other often. All I am saying is give an honest assessment of a drum. You guys claim to have been collecting for "Decades". in my opinion, you should know better. U want my honest dollar, I want ur honest assesment...sounds simple to me.

Listen bud it's not about taking up for someone , it's about the issue of you guys picking a drum apart first of all , how rare is it, 2nd is it all original and finally condition , if it's a one of as I have not seen to many black Galaxy drums let alone a downbeat snare , does any one have sense of what's happening in the vintage drum world a year ago a black oyster downbeat snare was selling for 1200 now there asking 2500 so it's all about the rarity here and it is to the point guys like you will be left behind when you get too picky, so wake up this is a rant not to just you but all who think they r the so called experts , we all want that drum in the box brand new , but the reality is a 50 year old drum come on what do you expect sorry if I am hurting some ones pealings but let's face it boy's in a perfect world !

Wow Gary.....you ok?

I can absolutely see Allens point. I have been there myself, as many have. Let's say you buy a car and the guy says MINT, and no issues....you believe him and buy it by some photos...now this guy also tells you he is an expert in the field of this car. You get it delivered, and it isn't what he told you. Would you be upset, or just say, oh well...I was expecting something that he told me and it wasn't.

From what I gather, the guy is stating he wants nice drums, and is willing to pay up for them. My thoughts are, if you DONT have them in that condition, don't waste people's time. There is the possibility that in all honesty, the person just doesn't know. In that case they need to find out before selling. Oh, and ALWAYS pay the extra PayPal fee...it saves a lot of heartache and headache.

Just my 2 cents

Nevin

Nevin I do understand his point ! but let's be realistic here to some what's mint is a complete and original drum some fade ? ok some r worse than others but a unrealistic expectation is what gets me it just hit me wrong as I have been there also , maybe in the long term it's should be inspected In Person for buyers so as there not disappointed and maybe the seller should strip the drum so as to show its fault's that's all ,,come on nevin that Ringo snare you have is so rare you don't care about some fade that's all I'm saying it's not like it's a silver sparkle that fades to ginger ale I have never seen a black Galaxy downbeat and I know this if I had it and the buyer wanted his money back if do it sans shipping as down the road it's money in the bank so it's not a attack to the new guy just a general realization as to shape of 50 year old drums I list them as 50 year old drum with flaws player grade pay the price or not sorry if I have offended any one I should of stayed out of this one

For the record I specifically asked if the drum had any fade whatsoever, and the seller assured me, NO FADE! When i asked about the blue sparkle in the wrap because I did not see any, again, seller said, "NO Fade, this wrap was the later galaxy sparkle that did not have blue in the wrap as the earlier wraps were prone to the blue sparkle fading out so Ludwig removed the blue from the later wraps"

When I recieve the drum, I strip it down to the shell and upon removing the lugs, I can clearly see what the wrap looked like unfaded. there were plenty of blue sparkles under the lugs and the other sparkles colors were much bolder as well.

So you see my point Jahog? This isn't about the rarity of the drum...I agree with you as I have only seen a handfull of others...this is about a seller misrepresenting an item he was selling. All I am saying is that if I had known the issue with the Rim as well as the amount of fade on the wrap, I would have considered those items into the price I agreed to pay for the drum. Let me put it this way...if you were buying a drum and the seller stated that the drum had "zero fade", wouldn't you expect the drum to have Zero Fade?

Geez, I thought we had settled this. This is the drum in question.

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Aside from the fact that there may only be a very few other examples of this drum available anywhere, the drum and the wrap is in excellent condition. There is no way you could have purchased this drum in 'out-of-the-box' condition anywhere. This is as nice and clean an example as I have ever seen. Because it didn't look like it was made yesterday, you were unhappy. I see that as completely unreasonable and unrealistic. If you were buying a museum piece, you would have been paying three times what you paid me for that one. There's nothing wrong with that drum other than your Felix Unger standards for what is clean and what is not.

I'm done here. We covered all this before. I thought we had agreed to disagree about your estimate of the drum's condition. As far as I'm concerned it's clean as a whistle. No such thing as a drum that rare and that old without a little fade. Ever hear of polish?

I'm out.

John