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Ludwig Standard - Blue Strata resto thread Last viewed: 55 minutes ago

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Hello all!

I have acquired my dream drums (well, one of my dream drum sets ha!). I'm the proud owner of a Ludwig Standard set in Blue Strata. I found them due to the link found here and had them shipped to me from Arkansas to NY. Sight unseen and mostly good.

However, the bass drum (22") and floor tom (16") shows signs of moisture damage. All washers and screws are rusty and the Reso-Cote is flaky and coming off, particularly in the bass drum at the bottom. There is mild seam/ply separation in one spot on the bass drum. None of this is horrid, but it needs to be remedied.

The wrap is mostly good, with some serious scuffing on the top of the bass drum where it looks like a tom had been resting and scratching for a long time.

My questions for you vintage gurus ...

1) How to clean the interiors? No dates stamps so I don't need to worry about that. Should I use mild soap? Magic sponge, are they safe?

2) Should I consider repainting or stripping? I know this is a no-no from a collector's point of view, but the finish is flaking off on the bass drum. I can see wood underneath in some spots. If so, what paint is recommended?

3) Is wet sanding the outer wrap a recommendation? I wouldn't start on these but would practice on something cheap. I have seen posts here with magnificent results. Would doing so be a problem from a collector's point of view.

4) I'm going to replace as many of the cup washers and screws as I can find on the bass and floor tom. Is this an issue?

5) Re: the ply issue ... wood filler? Or should I leave it alone? The outer rim on the bass drum has signs of the 1970s "take the head off and show the inside" syndrome. The rim is bumped, bruised and scuffed. I assume this could be recut and sanded. Should I?

Note - I'm not going to sell these drums. I plan to play them at home, no travel with these. I hope to will these to my son if he restarts his playing. So, really and truly, I am the collector here.

Thanks for any advice and I'll get some pictures up soon.

-Doug

late 60s Ludwig Standard kit (blue strata)
late 60s Star kit (red satin)
Tama Rockstar Custom
a few snares ...
Posted on 8 years ago
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Congrats on the new kit, Doug. My favorite Ludwig wraps are on the Standards. You might get some better answers if you post pics of the problems. Sometimes doing nothing is best.

Also, I've soaked rusty bolts, screws, washers, etc in vinegar and it's worked very well. I put them in a capped container filled with vinegar; I'd shake the container once in awhile to speed the process of removing the rust. I've never had to replace screws/washers due to rust.

Posted on 8 years ago
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The strata wraps are thinner than standard drum wrap and also the material tends to get pretty brittle with age so I'd be very careful about what I tried for refurbing it. I think wet sanding would be a last resort. Maybe try rubbing compound or Novus 2 or 3 first.

Posted on 8 years ago
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Thanks Mo! I'll give that vinegar a go.

Maybe try rubbing compound or Novus 2 or 3 first.

K.O. is this stuff available at an auto part's store or elsewhere?

Thanks fellas.

-Doug

late 60s Ludwig Standard kit (blue strata)
late 60s Star kit (red satin)
Tama Rockstar Custom
a few snares ...
Posted on 8 years ago
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Glad you picked up the set. I posted it and wanted to get it but the wife would have killed me. Novus is available on Amazon. I have cleaned about 10 snares with the little 3-pack of the 1-3 levels so you should be good with that. I swear by it. I would also use a Carerra wax them afterwards. I agree on the vinegar approach to remove the rust. CLR also works fantastic and is really fast. I would then use Mothers Mag Polish on them then some car wax to keep them protected. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and replace them. I agree with the gurus. Sanding is the very last resort.

For the interiors, I have seen apost here on the forum about the proper paints to use to refinish the interiors, maybe one of the gurus can help there.

I also use the Mothers on the lugs and tension rods followed by a wax. They typically come out fantastic ! Good luck and post some pics when your done.

No Guru - I just love collecting & learning about vintage drums!

Some of my favorites from the kits in the collection
58 WFL New Yorker Blue Sparkle
67 Ludwig Hollywood Red Psychedelic
69 Ludwig Standard Red Ruby Strata
70's Ludwig BOP "Ringo" Kit

A few of my favorite snares
20's Leedy Black Elite
51 Leedy & Ludwig Knob Tension
58 WFL Buddy Rich Classic Blue Sparkle
63 Walberg & Auge Sea Blue Agave Green Pearl
66 Leedy Shelly Manne Blue Agate Pearl
Posted on 8 years ago
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From shortyedwards

Thanks Mo! I'll give that vinegar a go.Maybe try rubbing compound or Novus 2 or 3 first.K.O. is this stuff available at an auto part's store or elsewhere? Thanks fellas.-Doug

I use vinegar and mineral spirits to remove rust.. It works faster and you can leave it on longer than plain vinegar..

If the reso coat is the speckled greyish-brown interior called Ludcoat, don't worry about it..Although you have water damage, that stuff is pretty strong and can be cleaned with just about any household cleaner. Magic eraser sponge, some warm water, and dish soap should do be fine.

Posted on 8 years ago
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Yes, post pictures of the bass drum's damaged bearing edge.

For nicks and gouges, I would not use the standard wood filler made by Elmer's or whoever. While it might be okay for the surface of shells, I just don't believe that it has enough strength to last on a bearing edge.

What I use is KwikWood stick epoxy. Mix up a ball of it and put pieces in the gouges, then sand smooth until the filled areas match the undamaged areas. If you've done any filling of nicks and gouges in wood before, you should be able to handle this yourself.

A full restoration of bearing edges on a vintage kit is not a job for a newbie. I did my Slingerlands, but I practiced on many a Taiwanese lauan drum first.

The reso side on a bass drum is probably the least critical bearing edge on a drum kit, due to the lower head tension, so it will likely be fine if you just fill it and sand it smooth.

If there is any ply separation due to the moisture, you should reglue that before doing anything else to the edge, and we can give advice as to how to proceed with that. It's not hard at all.

I, too, love the Ludwig Standard wraps, and the lugs as well. I have a Rocker II snare that is one of my faves, and I plan to take the hideous scratched up chrome mylar wrap off and replace it with blue oyster.

-Erik
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Early '70's Slingerland New Rock #50 in blue agate (20-16-13-12)
Late '50's WFL Swingster/Barrett Deems in black/gold Duco
'70's Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King COB
early '70's Ludwig Acrolite
'80's Ludwig Rocker II 6 1/2" snare
Rogers Supreme Big "R" hi hat

Posted on 8 years ago
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Again, thanks for all the replies so far. Just ordered some Novus, so we'll see how that goes. I'll report back with pictures soon.

-Doug

late 60s Ludwig Standard kit (blue strata)
late 60s Star kit (red satin)
Tama Rockstar Custom
a few snares ...
Posted on 8 years ago
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I'll second CLR for all the metal parts. Soak them overnight, wash in hot water and dry. Then wax with a hard carnauba wax. I like one grand blitz wax. Avoid silicone containing anything while working with wood.

Soak all the screws, washers, lugs and tension rods. Avoid steel wool too.

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 8 years ago
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Here are some pics of the bass drum, the drum that needs the most work.

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late 60s Ludwig Standard kit (blue strata)
late 60s Star kit (red satin)
Tama Rockstar Custom
a few snares ...
Posted on 8 years ago
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