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Ludwig standard interior "paint" question. Last viewed: 40 minutes ago

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I have some interest in a Ludwig Standard kit. The seller says it was among the first of the Ludwig Standards that were manufactured. These drums have a white paint interior. The seller says that Ludwig used the 60's white paint on the standards for the first month or so before switching to the granitone interior that I am familiar with. Please look at the picture below and let me know if you think this is accurate. The way the paint stops on the re-enforcement ring seems odd to me. It's a five piece kit in Gold strata with matching snare. The price is higher than I would like to spend, but I used to have a kit like this years ago and wish I had never sold it. I just love this finish but don't want to buy a kit at a premium price if someone painted the inside of the shells.

Thanks,

Posted on 10 years ago
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Hi Verminator!

Yes, the initial run of Standard shells, which were identical to the high end Classic shells, did have white "Resocoat" paint. I've attached a picture of a Standard kit I had. You can see the original white paint in the shell. Hope this helps!

Mark

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From idrum4fun

Hi Verminator!Yes, the initial run of Standard shells, which were identical to the high end Classic shells, did have white "Resocoat" paint. I've attached a picture of a Standard kit I had. You can see the original white paint in the shell. Hope this helps!Mark

Does the paint job in the first picture I sent seem right? It does not seem original even if the kit had white paint. It's so hard to buy when you can't personally inspect the drums. Thanks for your feedback. It really helps.

Vern

Posted on 10 years ago
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Also yes, as a general rule I think the reso coat came up to but did not cover the bearing edge. Though idrum4fun's pic would seem to dispute that - maybe the edges were re-done?

Do a little google image search for "ludwig reso coat interior" to confirm.

Mitch

Posted on 10 years ago
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Assuming that it is original. What would a fair price for this kit be? Ebay is all over the place. It does appear to have the original tom mount and holder and the wrap seems to be in pretty decent shape. Five piece, 14x22, 8x12,9x13, 16x16 with matching 5x14 snare. Also, wouldn't there be date stamps in the shells? If they were re-painted, that would be a good clue right?

Thanks,

Posted on 10 years ago
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From DownTownFarmer

Also yes, as a general rule I think the reso coat came up to but did not cover the bearing edge. Though idrum4fun's pic would seem to dispute that - maybe the edges were re-done?Do a little google image search for "ludwig reso coat interior" to confirm.Mitch

Mitch!

Good eye about my edges. Yes, they were recut...which was long before I realized the value of unmolested vintage drums! However, if memory serves, the paint did not cover the bearing edge itself.

Just found a picture of a Standard shell with Granitone finish, showing that the paint did go right to the bearing edge. The Resocoat paint was done the same.

Mark

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Posted on 10 years ago
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I think I will pass. I just confirmed that there are no date stamps, the snare has the granitone finish and he just sent me the photo below showing what he considers to be a minor split on the re-enforcement ring for the floor tom. The shell seems to be splitting more than the ring. Also, the three ply seems to be missing maple although it is hard to tell from that pic. If this was $3-500 it would be a no brainer. But not for $800

Posted on 10 years ago
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the reason no date stamps, it comes right off with water, yours look correct for early drums, later they had granitone interiors goodluck once gone you never get them back

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 10 years ago
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From idrum4fun

Mitch!Good eye about my edges. Yes, they were recut...which was long before I realized the value of unmolested vintage drums!

IMHO cutting the edges is the most minor offense, especially if it improves the sound....of the drums you actually play! Not really an offense at all...:)

Mitch

Posted on 10 years ago
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From verminator

I think I will pass. I just confirmed that there are no date stamps, the snare has the granitone finish and he just sent me the photo below showing what he considers to be a minor split on the re-enforcement ring for the floor tom. The shell seems to be splitting more than the ring. Also, the three ply seems to be missing maple although it is hard to tell from that pic. If this was $3-500 it would be a no brainer. But not for $800

This looks like the lap joint where the ends meet. It's an easy fix with some wood glue and some clamps.

The shell interiors look legit and the snare being granitone is very possible. I would be more concerned with the condition of the wrap (splits and cracks) and hardware (pitting). Based on the overall condition, just see if the seller will take less.

If you can post the serial numbers, someone can give you a ball park date range.

Like jagog said, "once gone you never get them back".

-Tim

Posted on 10 years ago
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