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LOL! I know what you mean. I've thought like that, too.

Honestly, though. Back then, NOBODY cared whether the shell was mahogany or poplar or maple. It was "wood" or it was "metal". From there, it was up to the marketing cats to put some kind of spin on things.

As you alluded to, years later, these quirky drums have become collectible -another aspect of life that just didn't exist back then. Same thing for Fender guitars and all sorts of old guitar pedals and different things. Nobody, back then, could have imagined there would be the interest there is, today.

But the cool thing is that there IS this collecting "game" going on and it takes on all kinds of rules depending on what facet of the game you happen to be involved with.

For me, it's kind of fun to sift through these quirky examples of Ludwig's manufacturing practices back then and try to come up with something that might be considered (by today's standards) the best example of drum X or kit X. But at the same time, I'm not a "money-is-no-object" sort of collector. Most of my Ludwigs have quirks, too. For example, on my red sparkle drums, the floor toms have the infamous "hump" where the shell was steam bent and scarf-jointed. On my blue sparkle early 70's kit, the seams were lifting -typical for that era.

And, yes, I have shells that are mahogany/poplar/mahogany and shells that are maple/poplar/mahogany and some that are maple/poplar/maple. The only thing I can figure is that they used up whatever they had or whatever they could get a good deal on. Again, drums were just "wood" in most people's minds and the scientific breakdowns and analysis of today didn't apply back then.

While we, today, ogle over the late 60's/early 70's maple/poplar/maple shells with natural interiors and no wrap tucked into the seam, they, too were often quirky -in that, they were slightly over-sized many times and heads didn't "float". But, every now and again, there is one of those "perfect" kits that has all its shiz together! And those are the kinds of "quirks" that shouldn't be quirks...but are! So, when a really perfect kit shows up on the market or at a yard sale (hopefully) of some other odd place, then it becomes that especially-prized example.

In the collecting game, sometimes something that is common and yet, uncommon at the same time seems to be the targets the devotees are shooting for.

Take the Jazzette, for example. It was as available as any other kit that Ludwig offered and yet, Ludwig obviously didn't sell too many of them. So, even though it's common, to find one is uncommon. And, then when you start adding on condition parameters to the equation, to find a really nice one in a mahogany finish is almost unheard of!Mister T Common and yet uncommon. See what I mean?

Here's how it breaks down for me:

Rogers drums were like the slick kid at school who kept his hair combed and whose dad built the family bomb shelter in the back yard!

Gretsch were like the city kid who had a specific accent that was different from anyone else.

Slingerland was the other neighborhood kid from down the street from Ludwig.

But, Ludwig was the kid who snuck out the window at night and skipped school every now and then, got into some scuffles....and got away with it....the lucky kid...and eventually became the king of American drum manufacturing legends.:)

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Hello All, new to VDF, and very pleased to be here! I've been playing since the mid sixties, and have the hearing problems to prove it. Recently retired, I seem to have fallen into this vile pit of drum collecting. I have an interesting tale of a set of Ludwig Standard's in Avocado Strata. Playing in a band in 1970 or 1971, I upgraded from my Japanese Crown kit, to the slightly second hand Standard's. Played them for a few years, then sold 'em and bought a second hand set of Camco's. Well, I still have the Camco's, and a few other kits now, but I managed to track down and re-purchase the the entire kit I sold in 1975! Cymbals, stands, the lot! WOW! I'm pumped! LOL Anyway, I am pretty sure these were sold in '69 or very early 1970, according to what I remember about the conversation I had with the fellow I purchased them from in '71. I've included a pix of the kit as it arrived at our home. I'll get the serial #'s and post them soon. As you can see, I do have a little bit of restoration to do, but nothing major thank heaven. The inside shell paint is interesting. It doesn't match. Anyway, more details later. Great forum, this! Thanks.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Not to throw a wrench in the whole Standard talk, but I have a Ruby Strata kit WITH Classic lugs. It came like this from the factory as the 'footprint' under the lugs is the same. The "bullet/rocker" lug has a slightly wider footprint. I have seen 2 other kits with classic lugs also.

I also had a RS 20" kick with a white painted interior. Go figure. I didn't bother to check to see if it was original.

I will post pics soon....

I also have a Tempro kit in Ruby strata with a boring story behind it, but the Tempro finish is what started me on the whole Ruby Strata kick...

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Posted on 15 years ago
#63
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RUBY STRATA ROCKS (or JAZZes, in my case....LOL)

My first kit was a Ludwig Standard in Ruby Strata finish and I still have it. I was 13 in 1971 and actually had to save my money to buy the snare first, then the bass, then the rack and floor toms from Sam Ash in Huntington, L.I. (everybody from L.I. remember that store?? I think it is still there)!! I actually started playing jazz/rock (Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, etc.) and always found the kit really projected--and people always commented on the way cool finish. It always stood out-- I never saw another kit like it for five years -- except in blue or yellow (never knew there was a green until recently).

Later in college at Syracuse, I was part of a house band that worked with the college's recording studio at the Newhouse School and lo and behold, there was a guy there who also had a Ruby Strata kit. I offered him money on the spot and he sold me the bass drum, rack and floor tom-- but wouldn't give me the snare. There is a slight color variance between the two sets, but as a result, I am the proud owner of a double bass kit of Standard Ruby Strata. I play it for rock gigs that I occasionally do now down here in Atlanta, and it still sounds great. But my Pearl Export black kit, with black rims and Black-X heads, looks very badass and sounds twice as good and is my "baby" now.... I'll always have a sweet spot in my heart for those Standards -- which is why I've never sold them.

I also wanted to know how long they were made, and this forum answered that. I'm also glad to hear that they are highly in demand because of the cool finishes-- brings a warm spot to my heart that I had enough foresight as a 13-year old kid to know what I liked, and that other people like it too!!

Would love to hear from other Ruby Strata owners, or Standard kit owners in general... I'm new to this forum and glad to see other guys my age collecting, still playing, and really into this

Posted on 15 years ago
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Welcome to the forum! Cool, double bass ruby's... Post some pictures, please! Click on 'fishwaltz' in my sig to see my avocado Standards. Gobs more pix of gorgeous Standards on the forum pages also.

fishwaltz
Posted on 15 years ago
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hey guys, i'm new to this forum, and i've never even posted on a forum before so here goes.

I've noticed some people here asking about the Ludwig Standard line that ran from approximately 1969 - 1873 or so. Either way the time line is not important, but some people mentioned that their drums had a date stamp on them.

After looking up serial numbers for Ludwig Standards, Ludwig gives the old "no, the super classic serial numbers don't work with the Standards!" yeah - thats obvious.

BUT the serial numbers would HAVE to have been sequential. Can people PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post both the serial numbers AND the date stamps on any Ludwig Standards that they have, and we can put together a time line, to start to put together a serial number timeline chart. I don't mind actually compiling all the information together, and then posting it up so we can all see it/use it.

Also, people have been talking about the differences between the super classics and standards, and some people say that the shells are the same, just the hardware, the badge and the wrap are different. Thats true - BUT, i'm not sure if everyone knows this, but on the super classics, the bass drums were drilled for 20 lugs, whereas the bass drums on the standards were only drilled for 16 lugs.

but yeah - most importantly PLEASE put up the serial numbers on your Ludwig Standards, as well as the date stamps!!!

Posted on 14 years ago
#66
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From hisdudnes

hey guys, i'm new to this forum, and i've never even posted on a forum before so here goes.I've noticed some people here asking about the Ludwig Standard line that ran from approximately 1969 - 1873 or so. Either way the time line is not important, but some people mentioned that their drums had a date stamp on them.After looking up serial numbers for Ludwig Standards, Ludwig gives the old "no, the super classic serial numbers don't work with the Standards!" yeah - thats obvious. BUT the serial numbers would HAVE to have been sequential. Can people PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post both the serial numbers AND the date stamps on any Ludwig Standards that they have, and we can put together a time line, to start to put together a serial number timeline chart. I don't mind actually compiling all the information together, and then posting it up so we can all see it/use it.Also, people have been talking about the differences between the super classics and standards, and some people say that the shells are the same, just the hardware, the badge and the wrap are different. Thats true - BUT, i'm not sure if everyone knows this, but on the super classics, the bass drums were drilled for 20 lugs, whereas the bass drums on the standards were only drilled for 16 lugs.but yeah - most importantly PLEASE put up the serial numbers on your Ludwig Standards, as well as the date stamps!!!

Welcome to the VDF, here we have a good serial # list ourselves. http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/serial_numbers.html

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
#67
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nah but see these are all for the super classics!

the page says "if you have these badges, these serials don't work - click here.

and then takes you to the catelogues for the Ludwig Standards, but it doesn't actually provide any serial numbers and date stamps!!!

or am i mistaken?

Posted on 14 years ago
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From hisdudnes

nah but see these are all for the super classics!the page says "if you have these badges, these serials don't work - click here.and then takes you to the catelogues for the Ludwig Standards, but it doesn't actually provide any serial numbers and date stamps!!! or am i mistaken?

off of that link the first group of serial numbers are the standards, and the years they where manufactured, no one has date stamps listed, with your serial numbers look them up on the chart it will at least give you the month and year they where built

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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...i hate to contradict but i don't think so.

It says, verbatim, "If you have this badge (the Ludwig Standard badge is depicted) you can't use the serial number guides below"

and then gives the serial number list. Its because that serial number list is for the keystone badges. NOT the ludwig standard badges.

Posted on 14 years ago
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