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I just picked up a 1963 Ludwig Jazz Festival in WHITE MARINE PEARL in almost mint condition. I want to display it in my living room. My concern, will it 'yellow' over time if left out? It won't be in direct sunlight. It is also in a smoke-free environment.

Posted on 10 years ago
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If it hasn't yellowed since 63 your probably good to go. I don't

Think smoke had anything to do with the yellowing. I have several

That have lived in clubs and there still white. Besides a little

Yellow gives em mojo.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Just wondering. Like I said. It's all original mint. Looks like someone bought it new back in the day,hit it once, put it back in its case and been in there ever since.

Posted on 10 years ago
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redneckdrum!

I know vintage WMP wrap COLD... it's all I own/play! I learned about the heartbreak/ravages of UV exposure on vintage WMP wrap the hard way. I RUINED a MINT set of original 1966 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliners by gigging them OUTSIDE playing outdoor venues and theaters. Thing with UV is: It's always present on our planet... even on cloudy days. That all said though:

Inside your home is NOT as critical, as long as you don't have the drum DIRECTLY in a band of light coming through the window. The side of the drum with the light exposure.. ( sunlight in this case ) .. will yellow over time.. except .. you won't notice/see it! One day you will rotate the drum around, or go to show it to someone, and the wrap that was exposed will be yellow. It happens SLOWLY and is very sneaky. I have a rack FULL of vintage snare drums.. ( all Buddy Rich models ) .. which are mostly WMP as that was his wrap of choice... and after ruining that beautiful set of 1966 Rogers, I keep ALL those drums in soft cases on the rack. I take them out of their cases when I want to display them or play/gig on 'em. Needless to say... THOSE drums ONLY get played at inside venues! I have had this collection for years now, and taking care like this has preserved them PERFECTLY. So!...

Inside your home is okay!, as long as you are aware of any DIRECT band of sunlight that falls on the drum. Hope this was of help! I'm going to add a couple pics here so you can see the difference between how these drums looked when I got 'em... and then AFTER their exposure to UV. Granted, it took YEARS!, and I didn't really "see" it until one day... wow. The timeline for the damage here was from 2004 to 2010... so 6 years. Needless to say, the Rogers BR Headliners are still GREAT sounding/looking drums... just quite "yellow" now, due to my not knowing about UV damage over time on vintage wraps... WMP especially so.

Tommyp

Posted on 10 years ago
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Tommy,

Great advice on keeping WMP out of the sunlight, but is it possible that some stage lights could also contribute to some yellowing? I know "Black Lights" used in some shows are pure UV.

That's a shame about your 66 Headliner. Sure, a little "mellowing" of WMP just adds to its vintage look, but I'm trying to keep all my WMP as white as possible for as long as possible. Here... let me digitally rewrap your set...

[Attachment: 76660]

There, all better.

Mike

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From Tommyp

redneckdrum!I know vintage WMP wrap COLD... it's all I own/play! I learned about the heartbreak/ravages of UV exposure on vintage WMP wrap the hard way. I RUINED a MINT set of original 1966 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliners by gigging them OUTSIDE playing outdoor venues and theaters. Thing with UV is: It's always present on our planet... even on cloudy days. That all said though:Inside your home is NOT as critical, as long as you don't have the drum DIRECTLY in a band of light coming through the window. The side of the drum with the light exposure.. ( sunlight in this case ) .. will yellow over time.. except .. you won't notice/see it! One day you will rotate the drum around, or go to show it to someone, and the wrap that was exposed will be yellow. It happens SLOWLY and is very sneaky. I have a rack FULL of vintage snare drums.. ( all Buddy Rich models ) .. which are mostly WMP as that was his wrap of choice... and after ruining that beautiful set of 1966 Rogers, I keep ALL those drums are in soft cases on the rack. I take them out of their cases when I want to display them or play/gig on 'em. Needless to say... THOSE drums ONLY get played at inside venues! I have had this collection for years now, and taking care like this has preserved them PERFECTLY. So!...Inside your home is okay!, as long as you are aware of any DIRECT band of sunlight that falls on the drum. Hope this was of help! I'm going to add a couple pics here so you can see the difference between how these drums looked when I got 'em... and then AFTER their exposure to UV. Granted, it took YEARS!, and I didn't really "see" it until one day... wow. The timeline for the damage here was from 2004 to 2010... so 6 years. Needless to say, the Rogers BR Headliners are still GREAT sounding/looking drums... just quite "yellow" now, due to my not knowing about UV damage over time on vintage wraps... WMP especially so.Tommyp

Tommy - I like the yellowed version better. You did good. Looks more "gold-like" to me. What a killer looking kit.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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I kinda like that yellow tint on those Rogers. You have to admit they 'yellowed' ever-so-gracefully.

Posted on 10 years ago
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From mchair303

Tommy,Great advice on keeping WMP out of the sunlight, but is it possible that some stage lights could also contribute to some yellowing? I know "Black Lights" used in some shows are pure UV. That's a shame about your 66 Headliner. Sure, a little "mellowing" of WMP just adds to its vintage look, but I'm trying to keep all my WMP as white as possible for as long as possible. Here... let me digitally rewrap your set...[Attachment: 76660]There, all better.Mike

Hey Mike!

Well THANKS!... course now everything looks kinda "blue"... but still nice! Truth be told Mike: In all the situations I work/gig in, rarely have there been black lights, although I know what you're sayin'. I also think it would take a LOT of that exposure to do what our biggest star has done, AKA the Sun, and especially so in today's world with less protection from our atmosphere. THANKS for the digital rewrap though!

Tommyp

Posted on 10 years ago
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From redneckdrum

I kinda like that yellow tint on those Rogers. You have to admit they 'yellowed' ever-so-gracefully.

larryz and redneckdrum!

Well... GLAD you like 'em!, but... are they still WMP .. or are they YMP? I realize that you guys LIKE the "yellowing".. ( so do I to a degree ) .. but truthfully: Are the drums supposed to be White Marine Pearl , or... Yellow Marine Pearl? THAT is the question! They started life WHITE, which is what they are supposed to be of course.. thus .. it would have been nice to preserve them as they were.. because after all .. WHITE was the color that was originally bought, not yellow. BUT!... I understand where you guys are comin' from too. For me though, WMP is still the ideal as THAT was the original color. To that end...

I haven't gigged the 1966 BR Headliner's since I started playing the 1965 Rogers Buddy Rich Celebrity's. Also in WMP of course! Difference here though is: The 1965 Celebrity's have been restored/wrapped in Antique WMP which is a dead on MATCH to the Rogers OEM WMP chip pattern. As an antique version, the color is exactly what you would expect for WMP that has aged/yellowed gently and naturally. Reason for the redo was that this wrap was yellow.. green.. and cracked in a lot of spots. The resto and rewrap though, well... the drums look like they came out of a time capsule. The sound is as you would expect from Rogers... GREAT! I'll attach a few pics for you. Otherwise...

I would think that you would want to keep your WMP Ludwig snare drum WMP!, if possible of course. Whatever path you choose though... ENJOY!

Tommyp

Posted on 10 years ago
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I would guess you're a BIG Buddy Rich fan, me too!Bowing

Posted on 10 years ago
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