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hey guys, i'm pretty new to this forum, but i've had a question that has been bugging me for AAAGGGEEESSSS.

I'm gonna be receiving a 1960's drum soon with a white interior (which i'm pretty sure is original) and i really want to know whether i can take the wrap off and have a natural maple finish (*drool*)

But I've heard a few different opinions on the vintage ludwigs with regard to their outter ply. Some people say that if its from roughly 1960 - 1968, then the shell will be mahogany/poplar/mahogany.

Some people say that if its a clear maple interior, it'll probably be a maple exterior.

some people say that if it has a light wrap (like silver sparkle) it'll have a maple exterior, and if its a dark wrap (like blue sparkle) it'll be a mahogany exterior.

WHAT IS THE ANSWER!?!?! is there any way that i can tell what the external ply of my drum is (short of ripping off the wrap myself and having a look)

Also, i currently have a beautiful 1978 Ludwig (24/14/16/18) kit. Now you might think that this kit would be a 6 ply, seeing as Ludwig started making the 6 ply shells in 1976. BUT, in actual fact there was a period in 1978 when Ludwig had a bunch of 3 ply shells lying around, and decided to use them up until they ran out. SO my next question is...what would be the exterior ply on these shells!?? (the 1978 drums have a clear maple interior with rerings)

opinions/thoughts/experiences would be MOST welcome!!!

Posted on 14 years ago
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Maple and Mahogany have quite a different color (as you probably know). Look carefully at the bearing edge; see if you can make out the outer layer. I think you will be able to see whether or not it's mahogany.

If the bearing edge is painted over, I suppose you can try to look in a hole after taking off a lug or strainer orso.

Is the wrap damaged or something? I mean, if it's your drum, you can do to it what you like of course, but if it looks great as it is, why take it off?

Posted on 14 years ago
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Removing the wrap, as you probably already know, will kill any chance of a future sale for anything above a low dollar players' price (players' grade). If it is mahogany, you would be able to tell when you take off the lugs to polish them. Simply, and very carefully lift the wrap in the screw-hole enough to get your answer. If maple, then it will be a very light colored wood with very little splintering where the drill poked the holes through, if mahog, it will be darker and also more "splinter-y", if that makes sense.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Mmm yeah. The problem is is this kit has already been rewrapped! Which i a shame but thats life i suppose.

And also the interiors were painted white during the rewrapping!! :(

Are there any ways to remove the paint from the interior? Ive read that there are two main ways - chemically and physically (with sandpaper or something like that)

Is there somewhere i could find a good method???

Or should i even attempt to???

Posted on 14 years ago
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More porous for glueing, mahogany is what you'll find nine times out of ten under this era of wrapped Ludwigs.The tighter grain of maple was a superior ground for painting, as in the duco series.

Posted on 14 years ago
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yeah. See thats what i've heard as well, if it was wrapped it was maple/poplar/mahogany. And it if was a thermogloss kit, then obviously it was maple/poplar/maple.

BUT according the the ludwig shell timeline, from The Ludwig Book by Rob Cook, he says that most of the shells from 1968 onwards (i.e. when they stopped painting the interiors white) were actually maple/poplar/maple.

So many conflicting experiences/sources of information! GAAAH!!! :P

Posted on 14 years ago
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Give us a picture of the bearing edges... perhaps several.... straight from overhead close-ups.... perhaps someone can tell.... it's worked before....

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Ok, I can answer this one. The 14x26, 10x14, and 16x16 are all maple interior and mahogany exterior. The 16x18 is maple interior and exterior.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From t.c.

Ok, I can answer this one. The 14x26, 10x14, and 16x16 are all maple interior and mahogany exterior. The 16x18 is maple interior and exterior.

Have you had hands on this particular kit? I'd never make an unqualified statement about shells I hadn't seen. I'd say "there is a high probability of X but the history of Ludwig is littered with exceptions." But then I was a statistician by trade.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Yes, they're mine.

Posted on 14 years ago
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