johnnyringo, I've had good results in the past using a condenser mic underneath the ride cymbal (wouldn't work if you mount that cymbal super low), pointing in at the snare drum and equidistant from the mounted tom and floor tom. I also run a bass drum mic, though. I've used this setup many times and have always been pleased with the sound. Here are a couple of pics...[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/110811_004-Copy.jpg[/IMG]You can see the mic in between the ride cymbal and the top of the bass drum. [IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/110811_005-Copy.jpg[/IMG]You can barely see the tip of the mic poking out from underneath the cymbal. In my situation, I almost always find myself wanting more drums and less cymbals getting picked up from the mic, which is why an overhead position doesn't work as well for me. With the mic in my preferred placement, it gives me more drum and less cymbal. Might be worth a try... Cheers,Ryan