I believe the Ludwigs are an early version of the Rocker line of drums before they resurrected the Standard lug for use on those drums. Rogers might be XP8, but for sure the Ploughman will be able to identify those.

That's a Premier Lokfast hi hat stand, from the 60's. About $50 worth.

Dan, I believe you are right on the Rogers being XP8. That 12" is different though, having the different interior and having re-rings. I guess someone may have added it at a later date.

I can also see the Ludwigs being pre-Rockers. The disappearing spurs on this one seem larger and placed further back than pics I see of other Rockers, though, and she has wood bd hoops rather than metal. Maybe they went to the smaller, more forward spurs and metal bd hoops when they switched the lugs over from mini-classics to the old Standards? Good to know, though.

Thanks!

The Ludwig kit looks like their CL or SL series which is found mentioned in a 1980s catalog kit. I was given one from a church member and had another in a trade.

Oddly the snare I had in two of those kits was a 3 ply with no re rings and the coating they used also in the other drums.

That being said for a practice kit they sounded just fine.

Check the Serial Numbers on the Rogers. I had a kit of that era not long ago, and the toms had natural maple interiors with no re-rings, but the bass had a painted gray interior with re-rings, but they all had matching beavertail lugs and hardware like yours. These are know as the "Big R" Rogers and the natural interior shells are what's known as "XP-8". They are are from the Fullerton, California Era and are Late 70's (Gray) to Early 80's. (Natural) There is a Rogers "Big R" Dating guide here on the forum (I'll try to find it for you) that puts serials and dates together. The gray interior should have a higher serial than the rest of the kit. Those came first before they went to natural interiors, and the serial numbers started over at some point. On my kit, the two natural interiors had lower serials, even though they were more recently produced.

Many Rogers enthusiasts think that the XP-8 shells were some of the best shells Rogers ever made. Too bad about the wrap. Might not be a bad workhorse kit for you to hang onto with a re-wrap though, especially with a cool 15" Floor tom. Don't see that size very often. Same for the 10". Don't see too many of those from that era either.

I found the Big R Dating guide (thanks Ploughman)

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You may also find this thread (which I started back in June) helpful:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=59659&highlight=rogers+dating

The Ludwigs are good drums, made in the USA, with the same shell as their high end drums of the time..

Toms are 4 ply and bass drum 6, sprayed with Ludcoat in the interiors..

The bonus is the classic lugs, which gives the drums

a nicer aesthetic look than the cheaper standard lugs.. They also sound great.

The shells were imperfections that Ludwig rebranded "Rockers", and rather than scrap them.

they were patched with the same wood veneer used on the actual shell, with only a few wrap

finishes available. (red,white, blue, black, chrome)and is the only reason they were cheaper..Same great sound..

This is great info, y'all. Thank you! I printed out the Rogers Big R info for my records.

I took the heads off of the Ludwigs and immediately identified an outer ply of maple, so that's promising! I'm going to disassemble, clean and reassemble them and throw them on Craigslist. Maybe ask $500? Shell pack only, no snare or hardware other than BD tom mounts.

I'm intrigued with the Rogers. I think it may be pieces from a larger kit. Anyway, the plan is to get that wrap off and stain the natural maple shells. It'll be interesting to see what lies beneath the wrap of the 12", being a different shell than the rest. Depending on how they come out, I may sell them, or may just add them to the arsenal. I'll post some pics when they're done.

Thanks again for all of your input.

As far as I know,Rockers were always 4 ply shells,so if that is true what you have there is

either the last version of the Ludwig Standards,offered in 1982,see this link,

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/ludwig_sets/1982_ludwig_drumsets1.jpg

or the Ludwig S/L,shown in the 1984 catalogue,

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/ludwig_drumsets_1984.html

Both series had the 6 ply BD,4 ply toms,both series were offered in black,and white cortex.One thing I noticed from the catalogue pic/ scan is that the Standards are showing no badges on the toms,I can't see the badge on the kick to well,but the badge on the Floor toms looks like a Blue and Olive badge,don't know if they came that way,or if Ludwig was in a hurry to get a pic of the line for the catalogue.

A couple other anomalies/differences I noticed,My S/L kit had beigey/yellowish interior paint, while a couple of these 6 ply bd 4 ply tom kits I have seen pics of had clear interiors,don't know where you are but as I remember the clear int kits were in Europe.

The other anomalies was the BD spurs,most had the 1303 straight spurs,like in the catalogue,but mine had the 3/4 thicker later curved /disappearing spurs,and I have seen a couple with the older thinner curved spurs.If your BD is 6 ply that would be the first I have seen with the Rocker type spurs and mounts.

By the way,my 4 ply toms were just under 1/4 thick,and my BD was right at 5/16.

I don't have any scans of a Ludwig 1985 Cat,but the 86 cat shows the rocker/standard

type lugs,and I am not sure but I thought the earliest rockers came with classic lugs,

and have heard that sometimes later versions were shipped with classics,or that some times someone would replace the rocker lugs with classics,both scenarios make sense to me because the hole spacing was the same.

So IMO if you have a 6 ply Bd I think you have an S/L kit if the BD spurs mount are original,or you could have an early rocker kit with a leftover 6 pl y BD ,you never know with Ludwig.

As far as pricing for sale,I think asking 500.00 is a good place to start,I think top dollar would be 450.00