I think you are missing the point!.To drum "collecters" yes some drum's do have a historically significants piece's for drum history..Think of the Rock and Roll hall of fame...You are wrong for saying that drum collecters are "Hoard's"..We just have a love of vintage drums that's it...That's all end of story...Mikey

"Collecting DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUATE TO HOARDING." leedybdp

"You are wrong for saying that drum collecters are "Hoard's"" Mikey777

All righty then ... Leedybdp please forgive me for pulling your response again. We are good.

Please READ the post again and pull the exact words I typed that support these statements.

I am sick and tired of being misquoted by individuals on this forum. This is another in a long chain (don't ask). The words I typed are very clear. I in no way shape or form said that collecting automatically leads to hoarding or that drum collectors are hoarders.

"They are not historically significant pieces of our history. They weren't cobbled by our founding fathers" me

"to drum collectors yes some drums do have a historically significant pieces for drum history" Mikey777

I'm speaking to American History. You are speaking of Drum history. Again, please Take the time to understand what is being said. It would cut down on all this back and forth tripe.

Please, for all that participate on forums and public discussions ... learn to read AND comprehend. This is boardering on the freekin' ridiculous.

PS - let me just add one more bit of research. Depending on YOUR personal lifestyle, collecting can actually be healthy. Not all mental instabilities are bad. Some can actually help balance you. I don't live high stress, so it would be bad for me, hence my aversion.

Let`s talk about that first paragraph Roger,

I live in Boston and there are a whole lot of Revolutonary War memorabilia in various museums. The two that tell the most about the army`s are the trumpets and the drums. The drumline was the fist thing an opposeing army saw, they set the pace of the march, the trumpet gave the commands.

To say that the drum plays no sugnificant role in our history is ignorant to the organization and mechanization of our opponents superiority. They almost kicked our as because of the pace set by the drum and the command given by the trumpet !!

As far as the entertaiment value of the drum set goes, well, that`s what became of an old war relic after peace was restored !!

Thank you, Oddball! That was exactly my point! These more modern drums are not historically significant. That's why I referenced our Founding Fathers there. Old war drums ARE historically significant. They are the museum pieces that carry value beyond the dollar.

Outstanding, Oddball. You get it. Thank the good Lord, someone understood what I was babbling on about. I sincerely appreciate the nod.

All I know is, if I don't start playing mine more, I might as well be a collector (not that there's anyting wrong with that).

B

PS - I have to admit I didn't read all the posts. I saw a Founding Fathers reference in there. I love history!!!

Can someone explain to me how vintage drums have no historical significance other than "way back" during the birth of our country? Did I misread that or something?

Rock N Roll? The modern drum kit and the evolution of popular music? Jazz? Mylar drum heads and sound/performance evolution? The rhythmic melting pot that is the USA and how drum sets changed and influenced style as all of that all came about? The technical advancement of drumming over the past 40 years and the styles of music that have been created based on those advancements? The economic collapse of the USA due to the erosion of manufacturing by the importing of "cheaper" products? So many cool things in our history that include drums (if you ask me).

To me there are tons of things that could be discussed historically that make collecting drums relevant and exciting from a historical point of view! Its a big reason that I got into it! I LOVE the historical aspects of this! I love getting to experience "first hand" drums that helped sculpt our country's musical history.

I think this argument is a classic example of how (sometimes) emotions on this board get a little out of hand after a few mis-quotings and a few low blows. I dont think anyone meant for this to get negative....just for a point of view to be heard. Ive been involved in a few of these myself so I know how it goes. I think you guys should just chalk it up to a difference in opinion and be friends again! flowers2

Remember---we are all here because we love drums!

-Adam

Well ... there is a difference between "historically significant" and "important to drumming and/or music history" ... but we are splitting hairs.

Please keep in mind that I've been at the kit for about 46 years. I love the drums and honestly cannot imagine myself without a kit or four.

All I did was point out something that has been missing from these discussions about "collecting". I've added something to the discussion that is obviously not easy for some to digest. I didn't do the research or write the papers or even date the doctors. I'm a drummer who likes to continue to learn and expand my mind (and my waist, at times).

I don't know what to say to someone who cannot accept a simple reality. It's not that big of a deal.

For the record ... the whole "right brain / left brain" garbage was thrown out more than ten years ago. And while we're on topic, there's also no real foundation for "cold blooded / warm blooded animals" either. Thermoregulation studies over the past ten or so years have shown that animals are ridiculously varied ... too much to state the archaic absolutes.

Now, if either of those bother you, then so be it. It's just progressive learning as Science marches on. You have to either keep up or make sense of the new fallout.

Look on the bright side ... your kiddos only have to deal with learning eight planets now. RIP Pluto.

Collectors will collect Roger,...to an extent, without them the drum kit will modernize like the auto but, and i say that loosely, a drum that don`t get played, lasts longer. Drum kits of the past hold a place in musical history and have a sound unique to themselves. Even today artists are covering #`s of the past, it just goes in circles, you can only play so many beats, have so many rythems and the lyrics are all that`s enless.

My whole point is, although these kits evolved from an old war relic, without collectors, we will in time have only photos and no way of creating the sound !! That`s why they must be kept as original as possible, but if not played,...are as good as a photo !!

I hope that makes sence !!

I love Major Matt Mason. I had EVERY single item they offered for the series. No joke. I had it all. It was stolen from me when they cleaned out our house ... along with my VERY complete Hot Wheels boxes. Heck, I even had all the Rumblers motorcycles, if you remember those. Anyway, I have toyed with picking up MMM items on ebay a time or three. I understand the value of keeping things original and such. That is not lost on me.

But, you miss the point. I'm not speaking out against "collecting", per se. I'm adding to the discussion - a totally new facet that has not been dealt with on this or any other drum forum that I've read. I've also added my personal connection to the extremes, which should "help" some to understand my aversion to collecting. But, it was only put there as a bit of opening up and exposing myself. Not as any sort of evidence or doom.

I've been misquoted and had posts totally missed, but this one was fairly clear to me. I guess I was wrong ... again. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to try and add something new to a discussion. Seems like I've had discussions similar to this one with David and TommyP more than a few times. Oh well ...

I`ll give it a try thisbright,

The war drum was part of an action that made a movement, followed by results that ended with a change in the way people live !!

The entertainment drum kit is an instrument that stimulates a taste for sound entertainment wich makes one..."move" or "Grove" and although can have musical histroical value, it`s just a matter of taste !!