There was never a ClubDate 16 floor. So, it would not be a perfect kit ... it could have been ordered with the kit ... blah blah blah ad nauseam ...

"Value" is that strange beast that everyone has spied and yet no two descriptions are the same.

Personally, I do not think a Ludwig ClubDate in excellent condition is worth a Rogers 22,13,16 kit (pre-8) that needs cleaning ... with or without hardware. That's my ears and my take on drum quality. Other opinions may differ ... however wrong they be ;)

have to agree..... with RogerSling

I had a Rogers Fullerton Powertone kit and I hated the sound. I'm not a Rogers historian, but I know the Ohio kits are more desirable... Whether or not that has to do with sound, hardware, or build quality, I have no idea.

you'll regret getting rid of that original clubdate kit....and you know it!

mike

Dear Abby:

A friend of mine has a an unnatural fondness for Ludwig drums to the exclusion of other brands of drums that are every bit as good or better, How do I help my friend overcome his aversion to other brands?

signed,

Confused

Dear Confused:

Sometimes we have to intervene for our friends own health and well being. Try planning a party and inviting other like-minded friends to demonstrate how ludicrous your friend is behaving. Set up several Rogers and Slingerland kits in the same room as the Ludwig kit and allow the pompous behaviors to surface. When your friend witnesses the others struggling for that firm ground upon which to base their skewed opinions, he will realize just how silly he's been. His mind will open and he will begin to realize there are other wonderful instruments out there to be played. He will thank you for it.

If this doesn't work, move on. There are plenty of stable thinkers out there just waiting for a good and caring friend like yourself.

Remember, to be a friend is to change a life. Will it be your life or his life that changes ... maybe both, if your fortunate.

Signed,

Abby Finkelstein

OK, from the aspect of "value," RogerSling has hit the nail on the head. Too each his own, as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

And, RogerSling beat me to my first thought and is correct. There is/was no such thing as a Club Date 16x16, which is probably why the set has a Classic FT, even if it's part of the original set. I've seen that configuration before. (BTW -- Ludwig did offer a 12x15 FT).

I have very little experience with Rogers, so I really can't offer much opinion here. HOWEVER, this thread affords me the opportunity to ask a similar question (that I know there have been threads on this before)...

Why do 60s/70s Ludwig 3-ply w/rings shells seem to be so much more "desire-able" than like Slingerland shells of the same era? I've got a LOT of orphan shells, both kinds. Some in not-so-good shape and needing a lot of repair including rewrapping. After repairing, rewrapping, and with experimentations (different heads, tuning, etc.) BOTH brands can be made to sound very much the same (and I would think similar Rogers shells would also fall into this category as well).

So, why do Slingerlands have to take the back seat? :)

Bill

Interesting question. I've often wondered the same. (I'm VERY grateful for the difference in money as most of what I purchase are Slingerland kits)

My experience ... when I was much younger, in the 60s and 70s, I was prejudiced against Slingerlands based solely on the name. It sounded like a straight-laced stick in the mud kind of name and I didn't want it on my drums. I went with Premier and Ludwig and Yamaha and other such 'cool' names.

These days, I seek out Slingerland because I've matured, as has my ears. I LOVE the sound of Slingerland drums.

I can only speculate ... maybe the drummers these days are feeling some of what I felt way back then ... maybe they look at the name "Slingerland" and think "dweeb". I don't know.

RogerSling,

Yes. I've posted this in other threads before. That's were I was at when younger. Ludwig was "cool" and Slingerland was not. But, like you I do like picking up the Slingies now...