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Question about the 58-63 Super Ludwig Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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Hey guys, I just recently picked up a pre-serial 401 Lacquered Brass Super Ludwig. Unfortunately, three of the bolts that hold the lugs to the shell snapped a long time ago, leaving the screws stuck inside. Since all of the lugs are pretty beaten up as it is, I was wondering if they were any different than other 1960s imperial lugs (someone told me that they too were brass, and later lugs were not). Of course it sucks to replace original parts, but I'd like to make this baby playable ASAP.

Thanks!

Posted on 10 years ago
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Pre-Serial lugs have a heavier casting than later lugs with a smaller cavity and springs. You should be able to get the drum up and running with later Imperial lugs, but the originals are a unique casting and critical to the drums value.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Like Nashdrum said, they are different construction, but the new imperial models will work. They are not cheap though. They are a little pricey new and not real cheap used. Maybe someone will have three of the old style that you could buy.

Mike

Posted on 10 years ago
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Huh. Since all of my lugs are pretty equally beaten up, I might want to try my best to fix the ones I have.

But if someone here has three that they'd sell me, I'll gladly take them off their hands!

Joe

Posted on 10 years ago
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You or a local machine shop should be able to drill out and extract the busted screw bits. This way at least you have the original lugs to use till you decide what to do. Should not cost much at all if a shop does it.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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The lugs are cast out of a zinc alloy just like modern lugs but, as mentioned above, they were a thicker casting so the modern version is different internally.

You can't die-cast brass so there were never brass lugs like this.

I'd try to get the screws extracted. Another option would be to look for an early 60's supra with really bad chrome that you could get for cheap and use those lugs.

Posted on 10 years ago
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KO

Don't want to sidetrack the topic. But how do brass die cast hoops come about if you can't die cast brass? Just curious how that works.

Mike

Posted on 10 years ago
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Are there die cast brass hoops? If so I haven't seen them (not that I've been looking).

I might be wrong. I think it was JR Frondelli who stated that brass can't be die-cast as its melting point is too high and it fuses with the dies. Brass can be cast of course just not in dies, so maybe they use a different method for hoops, or maybe JR was wrong.

I do know that there were never brass imperials.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I think youre right. Just checked on the ones ive seen and they do say brass plated.

Mike

Posted on 10 years ago
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Brass is poured into sand-casts, not dies.

John

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Posted on 10 years ago
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