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Questions about 70s Ludwig kit and Zildjian ride I just got. Last viewed: 41 seconds ago

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From campbellj

Hello guys and gals, I recently made a trade for a vintage Ludwig kit from the 70s. Hopefully all the Ludwig experts can help me answer a few questions I have about it. I will post pictures at the bottom. I purchased my 5yr old son a Ludwig jr. Kit for Christmas, so I thought it would be fun to be able to play with him. I ran across this kit, 24x16, 13x9, 14x10, 16x16, 18x16 and a 6.5x14 super sensitive snare. Its definitely going to be a little project for me to get it going, but hopefully I will have exactly what I want in the end with a little work and elbow grease. First off is the kick drum has Rogers tom mounts on it. I have all the other Rogers pieces to attach the toms, but I would rather have 1 tom on a snare stand. Could these have been dealer installed? There is no other holes for tom mounts on the kick, so I am assuming they are aftermarket installed on a virgin drum?I am not really too fond of the butcher block cortex and have been checking out the bum wrap website to find something more pleasing for me to look at. It looks like I could remove all the hardware, lugs ext.. and just wrap the shells and reinstall the hardware to hold the wrap on without damaging any of the cortex underneath. My question about this is, is there a way to fill the holes from the tom mounts with something that isn't permanent? If I ever sold these drums I would want the new owner to be able to take them back to 100 percent original if desired. Would it be ok to just wrap them and not worry about the tom mount holes for that reason? Next question is all of the toms have upper and lower tone control knobs, however the 13" rack tom has both knobs on the same side. I have searched and searched and cant find any other toms with both knobs on the same side. I was under the impression that they usually had 1 tone control just for the batter head. If I do a wrap, the tone controls would definitely be removed anyways. Was these knobs normal in the 70s to be on top and bottom? Or another aftermarket install? I am missing a front kick drum hoop, I have all of the claws and screws, but cannot seem to find a replacement vintage hoop online, so if anyone has an extra one they want to sell, let me know. I really dont have any questions about the snare, it has some pitting, I will probably just give it a good cleaning, change the heads, lube everything and let it be the way it is. The Zildjian ride I got with is a 60s 22". It weighs 2633 grams. Seems normal, but it was stamped twice at the factory. Is it normal to find 2 stamps on a zildjian cymbal? Thats about all of the questions I have for now, but I am sure I will think of more as I begin this project. Thanks so much in advance for any help. Here is some pictures, I dont have them set up for now, just in my kids closet for the time being. [IMG][IMG]http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/campbellj25/20170103_205203.jpg[/IMG][/IMG]

Its interesting that the kit includes a supersensitive model snare rather than the more common supraphonic L402. The supersensitive is more geared as an orchestral snare with its ability to swap out snares, and for the gigging drummer it requires a special case, and greater care since the extended mechanism is more prone to be damaged if banged. Of course, this is not an issue if the kit will remain at home, and the snare will sound great.

Mark
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Posted on 8 years ago
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Ringing used s butcher block kit in the roof top gig if I remember correctly

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 8 years ago
#12
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From jaghog

Ringing used s butcher block kit in the roof top gig if I remember correctly

That was a Thermogloss.

Zach

Currently looking for a 3-ply 24x14 Ludwig in champagne sparkle w/rail consolette and cymbal mount!
Posted on 8 years ago
#13
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Nice kit...3ply shells..!

Rogers hardware was common (usually installed at the music store)

Dble mufflers could be ordered as well...

The cymbal is a late 60s....zild, if 20"...anything under 1900grms is desirable...!

Love the snare, had the same in a 5"...

Loved it, but found it hard to transport easily..

Great kit all around..

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 8 years ago
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Thanks for all the nice comments! vyacheslav I will definitely consider how you said to wrap if I decide to do so. I'm still on the fence, the butcher block could grow on me over time, who knows. I still have more things to do anyways before I would be buying wrap. I will at least get all the heads changed and set everything up the way I want before I consider it any further. I'm thinking maybe the top tone controls were ordered with the kit and the bottom were installed afterwards because the placement of the lower ones varies.

Posted on 8 years ago
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Keep us posted!

I think the general consensus on this kit is to leave the butcher block finish as is, especially seeing the great shape they are in.

I think what we are all really saying (in the nicest, most respectful and most polite way possible of course) is that if one of us were to acquire your drums after you wrapped them and we decided to strip the wrap off and we found butcher block cortex underneath we would be absolutely thrilled, and then 1.5 seconds later be cursing at the previous owner who wrapped over them! :D

In all seriousness, they are your drums, so it's 100% your decision.

V

Posted on 8 years ago
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I personally would not touch that wrap, nor would i put anything over it.. Ludwig made a few special edition BB kits for Chicago drum exchange, and it looks like it's making a comeback. C&C drums have their version of the BB wrap, and although very different compared to Ludwig's version, it seems they're jumping on that trend as well.

As M Layton says, i would sell it instead of rewrapping.. Another thing to consider is the fact that it is a pretty rare kit, seeing as how it looks like a special order with double tone controls,and the kick used to be virgin, as there's no trace of diamond plate tom bracket on the kick.. Who knows ? As you said yourself, the BB wrap may grow on you.

I think that wrap has achieved some "hipster", "folky", "quirky" classic rock character, and you may not have a problem selling it, or even trading it in for something else vintage of equal value. Let us know how it turns out !

Posted on 8 years ago
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From jaghog

Ringing used s butcher block kit in the roof top gig if I remember correctly

Who's "Ringing" ?? :p:D

Posted on 8 years ago
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Ok, so I have decided I will just leave the butcher block cortex alone since it is in excellent shape. I am having trouble tracking down a hoop for the bass drum. A couple shops said they could get one, but it would be 6 weeks or so to come from Ludwig.

Since I am goint to leave the wrap alone, I at least want to remove the Roger's hardware and fill the holes. Would the best way be to use dowls and try to find some matching wood grain laminate or cortex to make little circle patches and flush mount them in? I was told that it might be hard for Ludwig to let a little piece of the wrap go, so to check laminate cabinet or countertop to try and find a match. Any other ideas? Thanks for all the positive responses!

Posted on 8 years ago
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Actually I'd just leave the Rogers stuff alone as well if it were mine. Extra holes are extra holes no matter how well they are patched. That Rogers stuff appears to be original to the drums so they'd be much more desirable with that all left in place. All that is part of this set's history and they don't look to be a "butcher" job done by some later owner.

You mentioned using just one tom. That tom mounted on a Rogers swivo arm will sound better and be easier to put where you want it than putting it in a snare stand. Use the other collet base to hold a swivo cymbal arm and you're golden.

For the hoop order up a generic 24" maple hoop from wherever, clear coat it with some clear lacquer and problem solved, no inlay required...one of the benefits of having a "wood" finish set.

Long story short...you have a very nice set there, don't mess it up.

Posted on 8 years ago
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