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I'm thinking about bidding for this snare, '59-'61 Chic badge, susposed to be all original, (except for heads), but the strainer throw-off looks a little fishy to me. Does not look exactly like any of the strainer pics in the ID links. I already know it has incorrect Zoomatic snare wire from some other photos. Can some you Slingerland guys confirm/comment about this or any other issues I'm overlooking? Bidding is already @ $460 with a few days to go. Thanks!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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the strainer is not a zoomatic, it is the 3 point strainer. the 3 point strainer is still a Slingerland throw.

i think the snare might be an early 60's and not a 50's. i think that because the snare looks chrome and not nickle. the snare is really nice looking. my buddy father time has a snare like that he got from a guy on the forum and it is 100% bad to the bone.

but $400. is a pretty high price.

i am in cypress, tx not to far from you.

Posted on 13 years ago
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I thought it looked a little fishy also, but judging by the info in the VDG, everything from this pic looks correct & seems to be a '62. 1963 is when Slingy started adding serial #'s to the Black & Brass badge & added the "Twist" to the 3-point strainer handle in 1962. It's hard to really judge a drum from one pic, and I'm am certainly no "Vintage Expert", but the drum looks correct from this pic. Color tone of the Sparkling Blue Peal finish also looks correct. The drum also looks to be in very good to excellent condition...in short, ONE HELL OF A DRUM!...I'm jealous!

It would be nice to see more pics & hopefully one of the real experts on this site will chime in.

If there's any extra 1962 drum lint on it, can I have some?????...I just want to sniff it! LoLoLoLo

"Play the drum...don't let it play you" - Max Roach

1968, 1974 & 1984 Rogers Dyna•Sonic COB
1971, 1976 Slingerland GK Sound King
1973 Slingerland Festival
1920's-40's Slingerland (US Military) Field Snares (6)
19?- Ludwig Field Snare (US Marines)
1960's Premier Gold Glitter Student Snare kit
1960's-? MIJ Snares (way-way too many)
Posted on 13 years ago
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From LandenLarry

the strainer is not a zoomatic, it is the 3 point strainer. the 3 point strainer is still a Slingerland throw. i think the snare might be an early 60's and not a 50's. i think that because the snare looks chrome and not nickle. the snare is really nice looking. my buddy father time has a snare like that he got from a guy on the forum and it is 100% bad to the bone.but $400. is a pretty high price.i am in cypress, tx not to far from you.

I think he was talking about the original snare wires that were use on the Sound King & Artist models, not the throw-off. I think the Zoomatic wires only extended past the snare bed on the butt-side.

I agree that the price is a little high, but given the condition of what I see here & if it really is completely original, it's far from being too high. From this pic the drum appears to be collector grade & the only way to judge the price then is how much you're willing to spend.

"Play the drum...don't let it play you" - Max Roach

1968, 1974 & 1984 Rogers Dyna•Sonic COB
1971, 1976 Slingerland GK Sound King
1973 Slingerland Festival
1920's-40's Slingerland (US Military) Field Snares (6)
19?- Ludwig Field Snare (US Marines)
1960's Premier Gold Glitter Student Snare kit
1960's-? MIJ Snares (way-way too many)
Posted on 13 years ago
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The strainer is a modern replacement part.

http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/drumsandsome/-strse-140/Vintage-3-dsh-Point-Throw-dsh-Off/Detail.bok

The holes in the modern unit do not match up with the old Slingy 3-point strainers. There are no extra holes visible so my guess is; rewrap/restoration.

I'd ask to see photos of the inside of the drum before buying.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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This is my 61 so you can compare. . . .James

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

The strainer is a modern replacement part.http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/drumsandsome/-strse-140/Vintage-3-dsh-Point-Throw-dsh-Off/Detail.bokThe holes in the modern unit do not match up with the old Slingy 3-point strainers. There are no extra holes visible so my guess is; rewrap/restoration.I'd ask to see photos of the inside of the drum before buying.John

Nope, here's a link to the VDG shots of the '62 3-point, compare the bottom portion where the snare wires attach, not even close. The only thing I see missing is the fat gasket at the top of the tensioning screw & those things dry rotted pretty quickly, also, notice the diamond shaped cutout behind the back of the bottom portion of the tensioning screw. It appears to be present on this snare pic, the '62 3-point pic, but not the modern repo pic. Here's a link to the VDG page.

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_5_strainers_3point-11.html

"Play the drum...don't let it play you" - Max Roach

1968, 1974 & 1984 Rogers Dyna•Sonic COB
1971, 1976 Slingerland GK Sound King
1973 Slingerland Festival
1920's-40's Slingerland (US Military) Field Snares (6)
19?- Ludwig Field Snare (US Marines)
1960's Premier Gold Glitter Student Snare kit
1960's-? MIJ Snares (way-way too many)
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for all the input. The inward facing flange on the strainer is the main thing that's got me suspicious. Also looks like it might have multi holes instead of just the single hole for the snare strap screw. The VGC guide shows an inward version on some way, way earlier strainers with the screw-on lever. Also I thought it should be the version with the gummed grommet, or is it just rotted away on this one? Here is a pic of the inside of shell. Does that bearing edge look like it's been cut? Thought it should be a lot more "rounder". Judging from the bidding so far, looks like this dude is gonna bring in some big bucks. I just wanna make sure if I go for this one that it's the Real Deal.

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Hey James, that's a beautiful drum! Thanks for posting the pic. Looks like you & LadenLarry reside in my backyard!

Posted on 13 years ago
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From makurtz

Thanks for all the input. The inward facing flange on the strainer is the main thing that's got me suspicious. Also looks like it might have multi holes instead of just the single hole for the snare strap screw. The VGC guide shows an inward version on some way, way earlier strainers with the screw-on lever. Also I thought it should be the version with the gummed grommet, or is it just rotted away on this one? Here is a pic of the inside of shell. Does that bearing edge look like it's been cut? Thought it should be a lot more "rounder". Judging from the bidding so far, looks like this dude is gonna bring in some big bucks. I just wanna make sure if I go for this one that it's the Real Deal.

I looked at one I've got stripped & on the rack & the edges appear to be the same. The edges are much more rounded on the Student RK's & Field Snares I've got, but the RK's look to be a sharp inward 45 with a slight outward round-over. The aging on interior finish also looks consistent. Also, I have several 3-point strainers here & the rubber grommet is gone on all of them.

"Play the drum...don't let it play you" - Max Roach

1968, 1974 & 1984 Rogers Dyna•Sonic COB
1971, 1976 Slingerland GK Sound King
1973 Slingerland Festival
1920's-40's Slingerland (US Military) Field Snares (6)
19?- Ludwig Field Snare (US Marines)
1960's Premier Gold Glitter Student Snare kit
1960's-? MIJ Snares (way-way too many)
Posted on 13 years ago
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From fungus amungus

Nope, here's a link to the VDG shots of the '62 3-point, compare the bottom portion where the snare wires attach, not even close. The only thing I see missing is the fat gasket at the top of the tensioning screw & those things dry rotted pretty quickly, also, notice the diamond shaped cutout behind the back of the bottom portion of the tensioning screw. It appears to be present on this snare pic, the '62 3-point pic, but not the modern repo pic. Here's a link to the VDG page.http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_5_strainers_3point-11.html

I stand corrected! Thanks fungus...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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