The beavertail lug kits up to 1969 are worth the most,the earlier Bread and Butter lugged kits are worth less because those lugs are prone to cracking.

So would my late 60s Fullerton Holiday be worth bout the same as a mid 60s one?

Why are you so obsessed?

1964 drums sound fantastic.

1969 drums sound fantastic.

Play them!!!!

The beavertail lugs started in '63. The new Keller shells started just before that (maybe only a few months), so, there are drums with the Keller shells/sharp edges etc that have b&b lugs: a sweet combo if a person doesn't mind the b&b lugs (they really aren't that much of a problem anyway).

As far as values, the most highly prized by collectors are beavertail drums with flat grey interiors, Cleveland/Dayton. These are considered to be representative of the 'golden age' of the Rogers story, so they bring more money. Are they the best? In certain ways, yes. But what came after is also very good. On a scale of 1-10, the flat grey stuff is a 10, and the speckled from '66-on is a 9. In my opinion, of course.

The very early b&b drums from '57-59 had a different version of the b&b lugs, the insides were black and there are other differences (e.g Eagle badges) as well. These are not too common, and not really that popular - they hadn't yet evolved into the stuff we've come to know and love.

Well- theyre the nicest drums I've ever had. The last time I had an old Rogers, it was a '72 and I had to sell it. I've had a late 70s Ludwig vistalite that I had to sell, a Gretsch catalina club, a Premier apk, and a ****ty Yamaha-Rogers, so now I finally have a kit I never wanna get rid of. And I just like to know how they hold up in comparison to the first beavertail mid 60s kits.

/Josh

Anyone who can break Rogers Beavertail lugs needs to upgrade to a Pearl Forum kit.

There are enough of them still in play and looking good to know they were appreciated through the couse of their life.

From what I understand,as the fullerton era progressed the Lug casings got a little lighter anr the swivo shell mounts went from machined to cast,I have heard the cast,while still good quality,can crack more easily than the machined,if you your mounts have u.s.a. stamped on them they are machined.

Great drums IMO.

The lugs did indeed get lighter starting around 1968, eventually losing the springs in the mid-70's as well. But functionally they were always the same.

The collet noses (the part with the wings) went from a machined steel 3-piece item to a cast part. They tried to make the noses a little more durable (the wings would occasionally break on the earlier version) but they wound up creating a different problem: the top end of the nose would open up and develop small cracks. After a while, they don't clamp the hex ride tightly enough.

In the early 70's the leg mounts went from machined steel to cast as well.