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Rogers kit questions from a Ludwig guy Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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Hi all

I scored what appears to be a vintage Rogers Kit. It was a no brainer even though I collect Ludwigs. The drums are all Marine Pearl. The only issue is the 8x12 tom does not match the BD & FT lugs. I believe it came from a "Comet" kit as it looks just like a Club Date with a single lug in the middle.

I am trying to figure out what year(s) these drums may be from.

Here are details:

8x12 tom: Interior badge reads:Tower Model No. 9729 Cleveland OH.

16x16 FT: Interior badge reads: Holiday Model No. 60547 Cleveland OH

14x20 BD: Interior badge reads: Holiday Model No.20216 Dayton OH

All hardware appears to be original & in great shape. I'm going to take some more pics tomorrow during the day. I literally just walked in with these & not too good on the Rogers history. If anyone can point me in the right direction or has info, please chime in.

Many thanks

Posted on 11 years ago
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Nice find..

12" tom @1962..looks good..

16" flr tom @1964/65...hardware looks right..

20" Bd @1967/8 hoops are after market...but the T's & tom mount, arm etc all looks correct...even the tighting colletts are correct...

Can't détermine if the wrap is original...

If so, worth $500/700 as it sits...

Maybe see if.someone here has the proper clevel, dayton period (holiday tom)..

It does look nice..

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 11 years ago
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I would give 66, later, at the time of the sale, or shortly afterward on the floor tom. This drum is at the high end for Cleveland tagged drums.

There should be no 20xxx range tags for Dayton Holiday drums. Unless this is a crossed out tag with Holiday typed or hand written. This number would seem rather high for that if the interior is flat gray. Early Daytons are in the upper 50,000 ranges.

On the tower, Beavertails, cannot be from 62.

Unoriginal hoops on the BD

Rewrap? need to see some more shots.

They look absolutely lovely, and should play very well together. The Tower has the exact same shell as a holiday would have. Difference is in the lug type Tower Beavertails, instead of the single tension Holiday Beavertails

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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Wrap is original as there is just some slight fading & where hoops were is pristine. Yes, Holiday is hand written on the BD badge & just below TOWER is blacked out. See pic.

I put up a couple more pics.

I'm going to take it all apart in the light & take more pics.

I figured the rims were not original but they are nice & appear to be maple.

I appreciate all the input.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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The crossed out Tower to Holiday tag with the speckled gray interior is 1968ish.

At a glance, none of the rims are original.

I believe you are looking at 67/68 for all of them.

I tend to lean towards rewrap, but what does it really matter. These are going to sound fantastic. And if they are rewrapped, then thankfully someone loved them enough to save them. Its far more common to see a Tower Tom and Bass married to a Holiday Floor. I say don't worry about "other" drums, play them and love them for who they are, because they WILL sound good. And only another drummer who knows a Tower from a Holiday or a Clubdate from a Classic... is going to even notice.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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Mark,

Ploughman as usual, is spot on with his assessments and comments. It's no big deal that the bass hoops and tom rims are not original. It's likely that someone preferred these drums to have shiny new hoops rather than the originals which could have been rusted or pitted. There are purists here among us who would want to see these after-market parts replaced with original hoops and rims, but I have tried out many different rims on my Rogers toms and the difference in sound is completely negligible compared to the effect of different heads. You got yourself some VERY nice drums there.

Minor point about the swivo mount for the tom: from your photos (inset below) your swivo ball appears to be held in place with four locking screws. Despite the fact that there are four threaded holes on the swivo mount, it was designed to utilize only two screws (adjacent to each other at right angles). Two screws force the swivo ball into the wall of the socket creating a large friction surface. Your four screws are creating only four tiny friction points. This will not hold as well as two screws and could cause unnecessary wear to the ball. Take two screws out and save them; they're not cheap to replace.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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One more thing: that's a Londoner mount on the bass, designed for use with 2 toms on top. So, it's likely that the kit was originally a 20-12-13-16. Maybe the 12/13 got lost/destroyed and the 12" Tower wandered in.

Lots of stories come along with a 50 year old drumkit... ;)

Posted on 11 years ago
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From DanC

One more thing: that's a Londoner mount on the bass, designed for use with 2 toms on top. So, it's likely that the kit was originally a 20-12-13-16. Maybe the 12/13 got lost/destroyed and the 12" Tower wandered in.Lots of stories come along with a 50 year old drumkit... ;)

If only we could know some of those stories.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks guys. I appreciate all the input.

Yes, I'd like to see them with the original BD hoops too, but I have to admit, these are pretty nice as are the FT rims. I've cleaned up the tom & FT so far & they really did not need much elbow grease. BD is next.

I have put some pics up of the wrap & it looks original to me.

Mchair303 thanks for that tip on the swivel mount.

I shall heed your advice.

I showed these drums to my father today.

He dug them as he had a Rogers kit in the mid 60's but what drove him crazy was having to use the drum key for everything. He said many guys back then (some still in HS) thought this was a real pain in the ass. I can see that now.

Regardless, I have never owned a Rogers kit before. Just 2 snares.

I'll post the entire kit pics when I finish the cleaning the BD.

Any idea what they are worth? I saw below 5-700.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I like the key. I have played Rogers for 35 years, and got to use a set for two years before that. I learned to always keep track of the key. I owned a set of Ayotte Customs with those big gargantuan thumb screws on the DW floor tom mounts and now those suck. The Ayotte mount used a key. That made them feel better.

Your wrap looks really good.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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