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Fasteners do not look right. I wouldn't drop a dime on this. You don't pay 900.00 for parts drums.

So you're saying this kit is worthless because it may not have original fasteners?

Ok, I've heard enough, if it does indeed have Cleveland tags and he'll do $800, buy it! Those are the Rogers to have, regardless if it has some Fullerton mounts or non original fasteners. If the shells are not compromised and there are no extra holes, the kit is worth every penny. I've had several Cleveland era kits and they sound wonderful.

When a person asks to be advised, the opinions of advice are likely to vary. Some will be good. Some will not. Deciding which is which is entirely up to you. No one need agree, and all can indeed, disagree with what you may or may not decide, or which advice you choose to follow or not follow. Furthermore, no one need to agree with my opinion.

Are they going to sound good.... probably, they are Rogers, from the Sweet Spot.

Do they look good.... yes.

Are they correct as they should be as Rogers from the Sweet Spot... no. Is it worth the investment as priced.. No... with caveats. The chief one being you really don't give a rats ass if they are correct, have the proper hoops, the proper mounts.

In your eye, they are really good drums...I feel you see them as they should be rather than as they are.

The number one question I believe you are failing to ask is this...How did they come to be what they are rather than what they should be. The answer to that is the difference in value.

In my opinion they are a conglomeration of parts rather than a set of drums and not worth the asking price as they are.

You do as you choose with the information. I am not hurt by it.

Well, you're right about one thing, I don't give a rats ass about incorrect screws or fasteners. I do however care about the shells, wrap and sound of the drums. I suppose I could wait around and find one with every screw, bolt, nut and washer being original, but I don't see too many Cleveland era kits pop up around here locally, especially one in wmp.

I'm with you Jonny.

I have a B/O badge Superclassic 3 ply maple. It's been horribly rewrapped, mounts swapped out, tags removed leaving residue. God knows its probably an orphan. BUT it is what it is and its the most incredible recording kit because of that. Beautifully aged "sweet spot" shells. I bought it for £400 around 15 years ago.

If you can buy a lovely looking Cleveland that holds THAT sound you want, which in addition to my Luddies, is originally wrapped for a few hundred dollars then have it. In time you'll get the original parts. Just negotiate what you can off the price just to cover the inaccuracy.

Here's an option in under Dallas in Craigslist that might work if not too far from you Mark. Might be Cleveland, might be Dayton, but with a Luxor snare associated to it, it's probably one or the other. I think the Luxor snare was wrapped up in late '67 or so. Of course, you have to like blue sparkle.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/msg/5510527086.html

Problem with any vintage kit is - unless you do play it, you can't tell if it sounds great or not. Ploughman was giving solid advice. If you buy a kit like this and it has a dead drum, it's worth nothing, because it's non-original. In my collectors world, condition is paramount. I've had enough fixer up sets. If it was $400 - ok. There are plenty of original sets out there if you are patient. $00.02

Johnny,

Go visit with the intention of $800.

Once there, point out everything to the seller nicely....

Also, most importantly...play'em...if u like the sound...start with an even $500...

Let him come dwn from 800 to 700.....

Once he's on $700.....put yr hand out and shake on $600.!

* If you like the drums...!!!!!!!

I say this cause, you go thru drums every 4/6mths...

Buying these at anything over $600/....then to sell them 6/mths later...

You might not break even...?

All the best..!

Those Blue sparkles in Dallas are nice. B&B lugs you might not like vs the more solid Beavertails. Still super nice and good price with snare! BTW looks like a Pearl tom arm on that one. should knock off a few $$$ replacements are pricey!

The WMP's are real nice too. Looks like someone just added the new fasteners during a clean n polish. Possible few of the original swivo knobby mounts got loose and started to rotate. Thus the cast replacements. Hope you can work out a reasonable deal on them.

My Rogers kit started as bare shells with nice original wrap. As I collected lugs and parts I used as many original fasteners as possible. But did use some new replacements for those that were missing. I figure in another 40 years they'll look like the originals. :D

Good luck with your search! The chase is always a fun part of the process.