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Rogers Tower and Luxor drum shell questions Last viewed: 2 hours ago

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I recently purchased a couple of Rogers WMP snare drums to match the 1969 kit I acquired earlier last year. Both snares are Cleveland era. I had a couple questions regarding the Luxor model and was hoping someone may be able to offer some insight. The re-ring looks like it is cut differently than the one on the Tower Model. Could it be a dfferent type of shell? I know Rogers used the same shell for the wood snare drums but this one does not look the same. It's hard to tell how many plies it is...could it be a 3-ply drum? Also, I don't understand why the area around the mounting holes wouldn't be painted. The shell seam is showing also...not the case on the Tower.

At some point it appears that someone attempted to install a muffler on the drum and did a fairly crappy job. It is too close to the batter head and not centered between the lugs. Just asking for opions here...would it be best to just remove it as there are actually just 2 holes (1 for the knob and 1 for the bottom mounting bolt) or move it down so the knob goes through the bottom mounting hole and add 1 more hole to complete the installation?

Lastly, the snare butt plate does not seem to be correct. If anyone has a spare one for a reasonable price I would be interested.

Thanks in advance.

Posted on 9 years ago
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You could have a Cleveland 3 ply.

You could also have a Cleveland 5 ply.

You could have something assembled when changes were being made and have 3 ply rings and five ply shell.

You do have a drum the interior paint was messed with. as those areas seem to have been sanded. Possibly to remove some sort of discoloration.

The combo screws don't belong.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 9 years ago
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Does look like a 3-ply shell and a 5-ply ring. Transition piece more than likely. As to the tone control, unless you regularly make use of them, I'd just leave it out. The Luxor's typically didn't have them, and I'm thinking (though willing to be corrected) that at least some Towers were built without them too. On the butt plate, I'm not so sure that isn't the correct one. You find a different strainer and butt plate on those drums. The PowerTone has the more sculpted parts because it was the higher end drum short of the Dynasonic, which was well above them all - $90 for a PowerTone and $150 for a Dynasonic. Dynasonic butts and strainers were very close in design to the PowerTone.

Posted on 9 years ago
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The combo screws don't belong.[/QUOTE]

Mr. Plow

What are "combo" screws?

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Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 9 years ago
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Slotted Phillips= combo screw. Made to work with a standard slotted screw driver or a phillips screwdriver. Those did not become common place till much later. Phillips screws didn't become commonplace till the 70s.

Rogers used slotted round heads in the 60s.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 9 years ago
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I agree with you, Ploughman, regarding the shell being sanded. Upon further inspection after removing the lugs, there is grey paint under the washers so the shell must have been discolored somehow around each screw...possibly rust. Maybe I can repaint the inside with a matching primer paint? I should be able to replace the combo screws with slotted ones to help with the look. By the way, these 2 snares match the WMP kit you advised me on last year. Thanks again for that help...I love those drums.

Dan, thanks for your input. The strainer on this Luxor is a the Bantam model. The butt plate matches up to the holes so maybe it is correct...I just haven't seen one quite like it when looking at other Rogers snares. Regarding the muffler...I will just remove it as the hole that was drilled for the knob is too large to use with a mounting screw. It's not a perfect collector's drum, but it matches my kit and will get some use! The Tower snare drum I have does not have a muffler either, as you mentioned above.

Posted on 9 years ago
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From jjef147

I agree with you, Ploughman, regarding the shell being sanded. Upon further inspection after removing the lugs, there is grey paint under the washers so the shell must have been discolored somehow around each screw...possibly rust. Maybe I can repaint the inside with a matching primer paint? I should be able to replace the combo screws with slotted ones to help with the look. By the way, these 2 snares match the WMP kit you advised me on last year. Thanks again for that help...I love those drums.Dan, thanks for your input. The strainer on this Luxor is a the Bantam model. The butt plate matches up to the holes so maybe it is correct...I just haven't seen one quite like it when looking at other Rogers snares. Regarding the muffler...I will just remove it as the hole that was drilled for the knob is too large to use with a mounting screw. It's not a perfect collector's drum, but it matches my kit and will get some use! The Tower snare drum I have does not have a muffler either, as you mentioned above.

jjef147!

The butt plate on your drum is correct, as Rogers used a stamped butt plate on the lower line models of which both the Tower and the 6 lug Luxor fall into. I have every model Cleveland era Rogers snare drum .. ( and all in WMP! ) .. and both the Luxor and the Tower have that butt plate. The Dynasonic and Powertone are the upper line models, thus they both share the cast/chromed butt plate.

Tommyp

Posted on 9 years ago
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From Tommyp

jjef147!The butt plate on your drum is correct, as Rogers used a stamped butt plate on the lower line models of which both the Tower and the 6 lug Luxor fall into. I have every model Cleveland era Rogers snare drum .. ( and all in WMP! ) .. and both the Luxor and the Tower have that butt plate. The Dynasonic and Powertone are the upper line models, thus they both share the cast/chromed butt plate.Tommyp

Tommyp!

You are one of the last people I would ever disagree with about anything Rogers...but...I think the butt in question is a Slingerland. I'm attaching 5 pictures, 3 Luxor and 2 Tower, each showing the same butt. The Pink Strata and Blue Glitter drums are Towers, with the Blue Glitter drum being mine, before I converted it to a Powertone! The other drums are Luxors. Hope these pictures help.

-Mark

Posted on 9 years ago
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Forgot to attach the pictures!

-Mark

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Posted on 9 years ago
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My '67 gold sparkle Tower has the same butt plate as Mark's.

Posted on 9 years ago
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