Jeff this is a cool little fill Steve Gadd does. Couldn't find a vid of him but here's someone showing how it's done. It relates as it's doubles more or less.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVe5D44xraM"]The "Gadd Flutter Lick" - The Classic Steve Gadd Ghost Note Drum Lick - Recorded with Zoom Q4 - YouTube[/ame]
As it turns out, it's a snap to easily ascertain that there are of course plenty of white church drummers. So your issue might lie in a lack of motivation to challenge the first thing that pops into your head with a little research."Church" = gospel; rock came from gospel, "came from" suggests some sort of difference or evolution. To me, the difference is pretty much what he's talking about - less swing, more straight-ahead energy, less dynamics. It's a generalization for sure, but about the musical approach of drummers from the different genres, not race. Thanks for providing the opportunity for yet another learning moment!Mitch
I think we all know there are white drummers that play in a church band, but when someone uses the term church or gospel drummer, 99.9% of the time they are referring to a black drummer and when someone uses the term rock drummer, 99.9% of the time they are referring to a white drummer.
The videos and books are all great without doubt but they both lack one thing, a human being that can stop you and tell you, hey that's good, or hey too fast, slow down.
That's true but as long as you do the exercises to a metronome, start slow and work it up, there's really no "too fast" or "too slow". I've seen where Mike Johnston and some of these young Berklee wizards talk about doing kick drum exercises until their leg is burning with pain. Obviously you don't want to injure yourself but you can take it pretty far...
A teacher is good though for a structured approach, and like you say for feedback, so I'm not trying to sway you from that path.
Meanwhile one thing I only recently discovered [somewhat to my shame :)] is inverted doubles, where you start with a single and put the accent on the second stroke of the doubles -
R lL rR lL rR lL
It's really cool and you can incorporate it all around the kit. Here's a great clip for inverted doubles, I've been working on the groove at 2:55 for awhile now, it's coming together and feels amazing to do -
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxCNR3YKUsU"]Why Use Inverted Double Strokes? - YouTube[/ame]
That's true but as long as you do the exercises to a metronome, start slow and work it up, there's really no "too fast" or "too slow". I've seen where Mike Johnston and some of these young Berklee wizards talk about doing kick drum exercises until their leg is burning with pain. Obviously you don't want to injure yourself but you can take it pretty far...A teacher is good though for a structured approach, and like you say for feedback, so I'm not trying to sway you from that path.Meanwhile one thing I only recently discovered [somewhat to my shame :)] is inverted doubles, where you start with a single and put the accent on the second stroke of the doubles -R lL rR lL rR lLIt's really cool and you can incorporate it all around the kit. Here's a great clip for inverted doubles, I've been working on the groove at 2:55 for awhile now, it's coming together and feels amazing to do -Why Use Inverted Double Strokes? - YouTube
This is the kind of thing that makes drumming boreing. I would prefer watching a guy like Steve Jordon , playing from the heart and not from a book.
[ame]http://youtu.be/1NswliqEAWk[/ame]
I think we all know there are white drummers that play in a church band, but when someone uses the term church or gospel drummer, 99.9% of the time they are referring to a black drummer and when someone uses the term rock drummer, 99.9% of the time they are referring to a white drummer.
So, ignorant people generalize based on race, and as usual they're wrong. What's new.
Musicians don't usually get to the top of their game being racists. When the "someone" saying "rock" and "church" is Jerohn Garnett, I don't assume he's talking from the viewpoint of an ignorant hick. Have at it if it makes you feel better though...
Mitch
Mitch, johhnyringo,
later Im gonna go back and check these videos out, thanks for posting. You know you are both right in one way or another. That is the advantage of threads like this one, if you learn how to play from one teacher, that is all you will ever learn. But learning from several different experienced drummers is priceless, you get something from each one. I have had a ton of advice from members over the few years I have been here and I take it all seriously.
This is the kind of thing that makes drumming boreing. I would prefer watching a guy like Steve Jordon , playing from the heart and not from a book.http://youtu.be/1NswliqEAWk
This is probably one of the most dangerous and counter-productive attitudes one could impart to a budding musician. Any art form [or any physical endeavour for that matter] has a mechanical aspect to it. You have to master the technique before you can play from the heart, at least at higher levels. Guys like Dave Weckl know every 32nd note they are playing at all times.
From the outset I said rudiments are a chore at first. But once they start coming more easy, and you can orchestrate them around the kit, then you're flyin'!
Inverted doubles opened up a whole new aspect of the form for me. The opposite of boring.
Mitch
Well guys, its been fun. Im sticking with practicing rudiments like Mitch and Tommy suggest, we will leave it at that. Have a nice day!
Each of these guys with Tuition videos have done their hard yards with rudiments and exercises... But I do recommend that book (or similar) to anyone who is learning.. I have had a copy for around 30years.. Still use it for warm ups..
Cheers
John
So, ignorant people generalize based on race, and as usual they're wrong. What's new.Musicians don't usually get to the top of their game being racists. When the "someone" saying "rock" and "church" is Jerohn Garnett, I don't assume he's talking from the viewpoint of an ignorant hick. Have at it if it makes you feel better though...Mitch
I'm not ignorant, nor am I a hick and I'll leave the insults to you. My opinion, after watching that video was that he was generalizing, maybe not intentionally, but he seemed like he was making a distinction between black and white drummers.
