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SOUND - Modern pure Maple vs. Slinger beige Map/Pop/Mahog Last viewed: 11 hours ago

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Ok - this may seem like a no-brainer question. At the same time, I want you all to think outside of the VDF box (preferring vintage everytime) and consider the exact question I am asking.

I am asking about sound - purely sound......here's the story.

I happened upon an unbelievable deal to acquire a 68 BDP Slinger 5 piece (with COB snare and all Slinger orig. hardware and 60s As - the whole package). The plan was to borrow the money from a friend, sell off the cymbals, and pay him back with the cymbal proceeds - thus scoring the shells and HW for free.

Well, hard times hit and I was forced to sell the As and use the money - for RENT. I had enough other drum stuff to sell that I could use those proceeds to pay him back. WELL.....over a year later - it has taken way too long to move the other gear and he needs the money PRONTO. I finally decided to give him the ok to sell it off to someone else we know (want to keep it in the band family so-to-speak). I thought I was just kissing them goodbye - but they have not moved for whatever reason.

Enter the ddrum - This is a 2010 (purchased brand new) Maple Dominion, which is now discontinued. Featuring die-cast hoops, the shells have been examined and touched up by a veteran drum builder and it is simply beautiful (Anaheim Orange - stained/lacquered - you can see the grain up close). I have run Remo clear Ambassadors on them - recorded a bit in his basement, and they sounded fine.

Meanwhile, the Slingers sound amazing, some coated heads on them from another drummer's use - as I don't use coated on toms) but bottom line - sounds great.

So I move the ddrum to my house (basement) set it up, and it sounds like garbage (totally different acoustics for sure - but still - very disappointed). It has a 20x22 BD and I am not liking it because from the stool it sounds dead and surprisingly compared to my MIJ, quite weak.

I must contextualize.....I have been playing my MIJ for weeks - we all know what that is - 72-74 Dixie thicker ply (6 or 9 ply - don't remember) and have been totally digging how they sound - WARM and punchy.

Now I am considering selling the ddrum to fund the retaining of the Slinger.

MY QUESTION that I am seeking feedback about - if you simply consider sound - purely sound....which will sound warmer and nicer:

ddrum - modern 6-ply maple toms, 8-ply BD.

Slinger - approx. 1968 beige interiors - Map/Pop/Mahog with Maple re-rings - (at least this is what my research reveals).

As strange as this sounds - I am wondering which will sound closest to the warm MIJ kit that I love? More warm and punchy.

We have all grown up being taught that the pure maple shell is the gold standard - though I am struggling to accept this when my experience and preference is telling me otherwise.

I know, I know - It is a no-brainer when it comes to collectibility, though I am wondering about sound more than anything else.

If nothing else, please reassure me that the Slinger is the keeper in regards to practical use/recording.

I have always looked at drumkits in 4 categories:

Vintage cool

Vintage class

Modern cool

Modern class

I will be losing my modern cool and retaining another Vintage _______. The BDP can qualify as either really.

BTW - the Slinger is BDP - 12.13.16.20 with COB rims and COB 5 incher snare.

ddrum is 10.12.16.22 matching 8ply maple 10 lug snare.

Thanks for your expert, specific, seasoned, descriptive response ;)

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 12 years ago
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I read this post several times, and I think you have answered your own Q.

Slingerlands are "Keepers" .. am I biased ? .. Yep

Cheers

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 12 years ago
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SLINGERLAND!

'nuff said'

Posted on 12 years ago
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In my opinion there will be (actually already are)alot of mid to high end modern drums available for reasonable money.Vintage drums-a different story.The Slingys may or may not be replaceable at a later date.

My opinion of modern drums isn't much-I bought a set of Catalinas a few years ago and sold them for what I paid before they got scratched up.The fundamental note was too high on the toms,and the bass was as you described your Ddrums. I vote vintage....

Posted on 12 years ago
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I guess I am a little lost, what is more important, sound or monetary value of the drums? I think it goes without saying that the Slingerlands are going to have a warm round tone and the ddrums are going to be more punchy. Personally I have not heard an early mij kit that sounded good to my ear. Sell the mij and ddrum kits and keep the Slingys, probably about the same price wise.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I agree with longjohn, sounds like you already answered your question. I'll give my opinion, but first let me give you some backstory. I bought a tan interior Slingerland 20/12/14 kit in March, then I traded a maple DW kit - that I was never totally satisfied with, especially the 18x22 BD - for a '67 Ludwig kit in April. I'm still using the heads that came on the Slingerland toms - which aren't my first pick - because it's my practice kit that I'm keeping at my guitarists house for now. They sound OK as they are, though. The BD heads that were on it were shot, so I put an Aquarian Super Kick II and a white Classic Clear on the 20" BD - with a folded cup towel barely touching the resonant head - and it sounds amazing, WAY better than the DW. I know we're not talking about Ludwig kits, but it blows the DWs away, in my opinion. Toms are low and punchy and the BD is low and boomy with a little punch on the attack. I took the heads I was using off the DW BD and put the originals back on prior to trading. I put the heads I had taken off the DW on the Ludwig BD, and it sounds so much better than the DW to me.

So, my opinion is sell the ddrum kit that you already said you don't really like the sound of - and it will never be worth what the 60s Slingerland kit is/will be - and keep the Slingerlands that you already said sounded good to you.

Lynn

I'm no guru, just a vintage drum junkie!

Psalm 150:5
1945 Slingerland RK sparkling gold pearl 26/13/14/16/early 50s 5.5x14 Krupa RK
1967 Slingerland green glass glitter 20/12/14/Hollywood Ace
60s Slingerland 24/13/16/7x14 project
24/13/16/7x14 project RKs
60s 5 & 6.5 Sound Kings
1942 7x14 WMP Krupa RK
1930s Slingerland Universal
1967 Ludwig Hollywood sparkling blue pearl 22/12/13/16
1967 Ludwig Supraphonic 400 & 402
1965 Ludwig Jazz Fest sparkling blue pearl
1923 Ludwig 5x14 NOB
Posted on 12 years ago
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You will find that the Slingerland kit will sound warmer. You will probably also note that the DDrum kit is louder though I suppose it depends on what you had done to the bearing edges.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Mid 80's I was gigging in a Country Rock Band with my then 8 year old Slingerlands. The shop that I was teaching at was closing down and the owner offered me a deal that I could not refuse on a name brand MIJ kit. (I will not mention the brand as it may offend some here). I put the Slingerlands up for sale and had some buyer interest in them. After 4 or 5 gigs with the MIJ kit I was getting some negative thoughts about the MIJ's and a bit of feedback from the guys in the band that they had preferred the sound of the Slingo's.

I had a guy with the cash actually on the way to check out the Slingo's, when I made the "last minute" decision to keep them. When he arrived I apologised and explained my change of heart. He was cool though and he bought the 2 week old MIJ's for a real good price.. and I have kicked myself many times for nearly having sold the Slingerlands..

Cheers

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 12 years ago
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Ok - GREAT responses - thank you SO much. Without responding to specifics here, what I am getting is that the Slinger will be warmer and the kick will even have more punch than the deep ddrum (20 inches deep!). Also, the value in the long term is a no-brainer.

As most of you picked up on - I was not so much asking advice on what to do (which to choose) just more so wanting to know what to expect in terms of their sound. This is because I have had limited hands-on with the Slinger and only with heads that I probably would not use myself.

Actually this can also be summed up as a head check for me - am I loosing my mind to think that these ddrum can not sound great? Am I losing my ability to tune or is something wrong with these heads....just not making sense because these heads bring out a sound that I am just not getting with these ddrums. Then again - I have never actually owned a 100% maple kit until now (now that I think about it).

A related note....is that I have been and am running clear ambassadors top and bottom on these toms (pretty much all my kits with the exception of this Slinger) and along with Studio Rings. Well - what I am getting is a bit more slap/attack than I would prefer....much more than my Dixie (MIJ). Fact is, I don't want all this slap at all! Am I a great candidate for drums with round-over edges? Should I change the heads I use (Aquarians with the built in muffling?, CS Blackdots again?, other??)

Thanks for the good discussion......testimonies still very much welcome.

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 12 years ago
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I won't make a recommendation one way or the other because all drums have a place. Some are better suited to one environment than another.

But, I will point out a few things.

First off, you are comparing very differently sized drums, with particular emphasis on the bass drums in my opinion.

A shallow 20" is going to have a lot more control and articulation than a cavernously deep 22" drum. These are totally different animals! You would be swapping heads and tuning until the cow's came home trying to make those two drums sound in any way like each other. It's just not a comparison that you can make.

Although nice, Maple is what I define as a rather "narrow band" wood for drums. It can, and does, sound excellent when tuning ranges and drum sizes are in sync with each other. However, I may want to run higher or lower tuning than the 'sweet spot' on all maple drums, and due to this, I prefer Birch drums to maple.

The combination of differing woods (once a cost control measure) has now come to light as a way to extract the best possible sound from a drum shell. The new PHX line is a case in point. I have not heard them in person myself to make that determination (who the heck can afford to stock them??) but based on my guitar making days I can say even the thickness of the finish (even on a solid body electric) can affect the sound of the final instrument.

Newer drums tend to have finer, sharper bearing edges and that can have a dramatic affect on the sound of a drum- arguably more influence than the shell wood itself! Your Ddrum kit is a modern, sharp edge drum, and the Slingerlands (and MIJ kit I presume) are more rounded.

In your example you are comparing apples to oranges and might have a better chance if the drums were at least the same sizes for direct comparison...

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Posted on 12 years ago
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