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Supraphonic pre serial number and early serial number differences Last viewed: 10 seconds ago

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ludalloy is aluminum. magnets do not stick to aluminum.

mike

Posted on 13 years ago
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Does yours have a seam in the shell? Does it have the rolled inner lip like mine? Thanksjim

No, mine's a Ludaloy.

Gary G.
1963 Ludwig Gold Sparkle Hollywood Kit
Ludwig Collection: 10 Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Customized Vintage Snare Drums, 4 Vintage Foot Pedals, 1 Single Value Bugle
Posted on 13 years ago
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I researched.

Probably, Luddy had made COB Supra during 59'-64'.

Mine 65' Supra has COB hoops i believe, and the magnet slightly(2〜5%) sticks them and its shell compared with my 68' Luddy's COS 1.6mm hoops are 100% stuck.

BTW, If the magnet doesn't stick to hoops at all, I've thought that is NOB like my 50's Luddy.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Both shells are COB. I just tested with a magnet which doesn't stick to either one. The Pre-Serial number hoops are also COB. The magnet only sticks to the 64 drum hoops. I've attached an illustration of the shell profiles and would like to know if anyone else has a pre-serial number Supra with the profile shown on the right, which is rolled over at the edge. Does this indicate that the drum is any more rare or any earlier than other pre-serial number drums? Thanks in advance - learning quite a bit today!jim

I believe the snare was first offered in the '58 catalog, the "Super Ludwig 400" and the earliest ones I've seen have a WFL badge, those are pretty darn rare. By '59 the 400 got a "transitional" badge, those are a little less rare but still rather scarce. By 1960 or so, they were supplied with the "pre-serial number" classic keystone Ludwig badge. By late 1961 Ludwig no longer offered the laquered brass shell with the Super 400.

Regarding the flange difference in your illustrations... I'm not sure about the '58 drums but the rest of the Supers that I've seen that are COB have the flange that curls back in to the shell at the end of it. I've got Supers from '59, '60, '61, all COB and all have the curled flange... like the illustration on the right. All the COB shelled Supers I've ever seen have the curled in, or "rolled over" flange.

I also have a '62 Super, it's got a pre-serial number bent badge

, red felt baseball bat muffler, COB hoops, deeply crimped snare beds like the earlier COB shelled models... but the shell is aluminum. The aluminum shells don't have the curled in flange at the end of them, they go straight down and stop... like you have illustrated on the left.

Sounds like you have two really cool snares, your '64 is aluminum with COS hoops, and your earlier COB shelled model have different sounds and it's always good to have some variety... enjoy them!

Achieve the Possible
Posted on 13 years ago
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Roadrunner - thank you - your post is very helpful. Imagine working for Ludwig back in the day, when a guy could say "I've got an idea.... why don't we try this."

My next goal is to fit each drum with identical heads, then compare the sounds.

Great stuff.

Thanks

jim

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'68 Ludwig Ruby Red Strata
'68 Ludwig Mod Orange
'58 Gretsch Starlight Sparkle
'69 Ludwig Clubdate BDP
'60s Ludwig Clubdate Black Lacquer / Nickel
'67 Trixon Speedfire Red
COB Ludwig Supra
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Posted on 13 years ago
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