Need some education with this. Found a Rogers Swivo Fullerton kit on eBay, item 282022693319. Not interested in purchasing, but the location of the Swivo mounts on the rack toms caught my eye. Messaged the seller about this. He said they are factory installed and not moved. All Swivo mounts I've ever seen were always mounted in the center of both 12" and 13" rack toms. Anyone ever see these mounts higher up on the shell?
-Mark
Those look odd. I don't have an answer.
I have answer: That set in NOT factory original. Besides the non-Rogers bass hoops, the finish does not look like a Rogers glass glitter, so it's probably a rewrap. Regarding the toms, Rogers DID place Swivo mounts near the batter hoop on Fullerton concert toms:
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So are these modified concert toms turned into double-headed toms? Could be, but it's looking like a lot of re-work has been done here.
I think the seller doesn't know what a factory original Rogers set should look like. Probably bought them like that and was misinformed by someone who told him that they were all original. Ask to see pics of the insides.
Mike
I have answer: That set in NOT factory original. Besides the non-Rogers bass hoops, the finish does not look like a Rogers glass glitter, so it's probably a rewrap. Regarding the toms, Rogers DID place Swivo mounts near the batter hoop on Fullerton concert toms: [Attachment: 98632]So are these modified concert toms turned into double-headed toms? Could be, but it's looking like a lot of re-work has been done here.I think the seller doesn't know what a factory original Rogers set should look like. Probably bought them like that and was misinformed by someone who told him that they were all original. Ask to see pics of the insides.Mike
Good eye.....seems right to me
Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.Seems that Mike nailed the situation Mark, but it is also interesting to observe that Rogers was a bit all over the place locating mounts at a certain point in time. Even the picture Mike posted shows a catalog set-up with a swivo mount looking right at us that has no apparent purpose. I think it's also kind of interesting that the double tom mount on the left side is empty on one side. One would have thought they'd have put in a straight rod and a splash just to show the versatility of the mount. The 67-68 catalog was a piece of catalog perfection, but by 1972, even the catalog effort was getting lazy.
The pictured set I had a while back, which was from late 1968, is by no means the only one I've seen like it where the tom mount is one panel away from its normal position. You can see the Rogers script, and the tone control is just out of sight. This layout exposed the seam too, which is something they were very careful to avoid in the earlier days.
The seller contacted me again, stating that the toms may have been "concert toms". So, I think that confirms it. If you read the description, it does state that the kit has been wrapped in that very thin sparkle stuff, but easily removed to reveal the original black wrap. And, yes, we all know that those chrome BD hoops are not original! As to his asking price, no way!
-Mark
Some of that thin sparkle stuff can be a "b1tch" to actually remove cleanly.
Even the picture Mike posted shows a catalog set-up with a swivo mount looking right at us that has no apparent purpose.
Dan,
That picture I posted from the 73/74 catalog is supposed to be demonstrating the ability to mount concert toms from the inside of the shell with an L-arm. Note that the collet hole is not empty. There's an arm inside that shell. Seems like Rogers was still trying to be innovative even as they knew all the Swivo hardware was on it's way out. And you're right about the last Swivo-era catalogs getting lazy. Most of the set configurations in that last Swivo catalog were just drawings:
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Appreciate Mark posting this set. It's always fun picking apart what's right and wrong about someone's idea of a restoration.
Mike
Go figure Mike. Mounting from inside the tom. I never cease to learn things on this forum. thanks for that piece of info, and as you said, thanks to Mark for the original post.
Go figure Mike. Mounting from inside the tom. I never cease to learn things on this forum. thanks for that piece of info, and as you said, thanks to Mark for the original post.
I also remember that original Rogers picture, but it took until know to realize that one tom had the Swivo arm inserted from inside! Really thinking outside the box!
Glad to read everyone's thoughts on this eBay Rogers kit. The seller now acknowledges that those rack toms were concert toms. Not sure if he's edited his text, though. I haven't commented on his price. Just figure he'll notice this when the kit doesn't sell!
-Mark
