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Typical UberNewb: Ident. Drums & Was it Worth It? Last viewed: 4 hours ago

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Hello all! I am a brand new member, but I spent quite a few hours browsing around this site when deciding whether or not to buy my new drum kit.

I am hoping to hear from any and all of you about the accuracy of my identification, and more importantly, the wisdom of my purchase. What would you have spent on this gem????

What I "Know": It's a vintage Ludwig drum kit of unknown series, circa 1976, in a lovely mahogany. Shells are (thankfully) still the 3ply with re-rings, granitone sealer. One tom is missing, unknown size. I have a 5x14 Supraphonic, 9x13 rack tom, 16x16 floor tom, and a 14x20 bass. Heads, mufflers, hardware, and snares appear original. THEY SOUND AWESOME.

Full Kit: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/wholekit.jpg

Bass Badge: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/bassbadge.jpg

Rack Tom Badge: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/rtbadge.jpg

Floor Tom Badge: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/ftbadge.jpg

Snare Badge: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/snarebadge.jpg

Snares: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/snares.jpg

Shell View: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/cktannehill/new%20drums/kitshells.jpg

So... what do we think? Awesome? Consecutive? What am I missing? Horrible waste of money and space? Let me know. Thanks.

1976 Ludwig - 13,16,22, 5x14 Supraphonic
Zildjian A 16 & 18 Med Thin, 14 New Beat, 21 Sweet Ride, 10 Armand
Posted on 14 years ago
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You didn't say how much you spent, so I can't judge.

I won't judge, even if you reveal the figure.

If they sound as good as they look, then don't second-guess yourself. As my grandmother used to say, use them in good health.

9x Slingerland New Rock 50N 12-13-16-22 with 170 (Super S-O-M) holder
• 1979 Oak
• 1978 Blakrome + 6.5x14 TDR SD
• 1977 Black Diamond Pearl + 5x14 SD (gold badge, Rapid strainer)
• 1976 Black Cordova
• 1975 Silver Sparkle + 5x14 SD (Rapid strainer)
• 1974 Chrome + 5x14 COB TDR and 6.5x14 COW Zoomatic SDs
• 1973 Purple Sparkle
• 1973 Phantom (clear)
• 1971 Walnut (gold badges) + 5x14 TDR SD
1x Rogers Powertone Londoner V 12-13-16-22
• 1972 Butcher Block + 1979 big R Dynasonic SD
Posted on 14 years ago
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That's a very encouraging and thoughtful response, and I thank you. I guess I did put quite a bit of emphasis on "Should I have?"

But I would still would like to know a few things if anyone has the knowledge and the time...

Am I right about the date? What size tom am I missing (badge faces forward with tom on left side... is there like a 14" or something)? What is the name of the kit series?

Also... should I replace heads and snares asap or wait as long as possible? If I should switch, what should I switch to?

Otherwise, yeah, they were totally worth it! I call her Sandy Flatts...

1976 Ludwig - 13,16,22, 5x14 Supraphonic
Zildjian A 16 & 18 Med Thin, 14 New Beat, 21 Sweet Ride, 10 Armand
Posted on 14 years ago
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You mis-measured the bass drum. It's not a 20" bass drum. It's a 22" bass . I can tell because it has ten lugs.

The tom mount was meant to hold TWO tom toms, so the configuration was likely a Big Beat and, therefore, is missing a 12" tom.

Other than that small point, the kit looks really nice.

The finish wrap is called "Mahogany Cortex"...or, possibly, "Walnut Cortex" (upon second glance) and is really tough stuff. It's basically countertop laminate that was also used as a wrap for drums!

It also appears as if you have the original Weathermaster "dB" series drumheads, too. Wow! That's great....but be careful of them because you can't get them like that anymore! I know what you mean about the sound. Those drums with those heads are THE Ludwig sound, in my opinion.

So, yeah, in order to tell you whether or not you got a "good deal" we need to determine two things:

1. How much did you pay?

2. How much do you love them?

By the way, #1 is irrelevant if the answer to #2 is, "A LOT!" flowers2

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Posted on 14 years ago
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P.S., Yes, your date of 1976 is correct.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
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I would switch heads but SAVE the originals!. Or, you could at least keep the bottom drumheads (resonant side) original and just change out the batter heads. I would switch heads to any of the major brand names' medium weight, single-ply, clear heads and on the bass drum, I would use a clear Remo Emperor bass drumhead. I say this because I think that's what's going to behave most like the original vintage heads. If you start switching out the heads for something too modern then you'll lose that Ludwig sound.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
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Thank you! A "Big Beat" eh? Cool... If I'm missing a 12" tom, then why does the badge on the 13" face forwards when on the left? Did the badges on these drums typically face toward the drummer when mounted?

You're right about the bass, I just assumed based on some things I'd read... my bad. But... I'm glad!

I guess at this point I should come out with it... for the Supraphonic, the rack tom, floor tom, bass drum, all the original hardware and skins discussed, 2 vintage Ludwig straight stands, vintage Ludwig hihat stand, and a vintage Slingerland kick pedal, I paid $500.

I'm VERY happy with the sound, look, and feel of these drums. I was motivated to look into vintage based on my research regarding good snare drums. This kit kicks the snot out of my Pearl Export in SO many ways!

1976 Ludwig - 13,16,22, 5x14 Supraphonic
Zildjian A 16 & 18 Med Thin, 14 New Beat, 21 Sweet Ride, 10 Armand
Posted on 14 years ago
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I've got a bud that has this exact same kit in these exact same sizes, and he paid $500.00 without a snare drum, so you've done quite good!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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First of all, YOU GOT A GREAT DEAL!

Second of all, the badge on the 13" tom tom should be on the exact opposite side of the tom mount...correct? On earlier, "keystone badge" drum shells, the double tom configurations had the "problem" of the 12" tom badge facing the audience and the 13" always facing the drummer. In the 70's, with B/O badge drums (like yours), the solution was to mount the badge opposite of the tom mount so that, then, BOTH drums' badges would face kinda outwards and sideways -no matter on which side of the bass drum they were mounted.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
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Ooooh... Ok that makes sense. I used to mount my Pearl's with the badges out & at an angle, so i guess it just didn't hit me that it is DIRECTLY opposite the mount. That makes sense, and will still look good if I stumble across a suitable 12" someday.

And also... REALLY!?! That's really REALLY cool to hear, especially since I'm out on a limb here waiting for the old kit to sell - knowing that I love the kit, AND that it was a steal makes it that much more worth it, you know? :-)

Thank you all for the info, I'd been dying to post on here since I brought it home!

JUST A FEW MORE QUESTIONS - Next Post

1976 Ludwig - 13,16,22, 5x14 Supraphonic
Zildjian A 16 & 18 Med Thin, 14 New Beat, 21 Sweet Ride, 10 Armand
Posted on 14 years ago
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