cuquito717... do you have any info about these TIMBALES? Are both sets Slingerland? If so, what is the difference... size? depth? I know little about drums... I can't even walk and chew gum at the same time, to have 2 hands, two feet, doing different stuff and then singing amazes me.

From my limited research, it looks like the set in the back (No 1 & 2 on diagram) are TITO PUENTO 13 and 14?

The other set looks like the larger TIMBALE isn't very deep (No. 3 & 4 on diagram)? Any idea on the model of these?

Thanks,

Jim

White rehearsal set (guessing at sizes):

I can't determine anything about the snare.

8x12 Premier tom, mounted with Rogers Swiv-o-Matic hardware

9x13 Gretsch round badge tom, mounted with Rogers Swiv-o-Matic hardware*

14x14 Gretsch stop sign badge floor tom

16x16 Gretsch round badge floor tom*

14x20 Gretsch round badge bass drum*

* probably from a matched set

Gig set appears to be a matching wood-finished Premier set in the same sizes as above. In all photos but one, it appears that he's using a 5x14 matching snare. In the B/W photo where Peter Gabriel is wearing a leather coat, Phil is using a clear Fibes 5x14 snare drum.

In all photos, the hi-hat stand is a Slingerland Dynamo.

My guess is that most or all of the cymbals are Paiste. A Paiste setup guide that I own indicates that he plays 14", 16", and 18" Formula 602 thin crashes, but the book is dated from 1981.

In the photo in which he's wearing overalls, the heads on the kit drums appear to be Premier Everplays. The heads on the timbales (at least the two smaller ones) appear to be Ludwig.

This is the best I can do.

Jim The timbales on that photo are the third edition model Slingerland made when it drop making Leedy timbales 1965 and wanted to boost the Slingerland name. In 1966 they made the same model but Leedy claws and Slingerland lugs. In 1967 they put the Slingerland claws on the same set. then 1969-70 they made same set with regular rims a real flop in part of Slingerland and finally discontinued making timbales. Here I have 4 eras of that timbales

First Photo is Slingerlands under Leedy brand with regular rims 1969-1970.

Second photo full slingerland Hardware and what Phil Collins is using 1967

Third intern model Leedy Claws and Slingerland Lugs 1966

Forth set with Leedy claws and lugs 1955-1965

All 4 sets different eras of Slingerland in the attempt to corner the market.

In 1966 they offered Tito Puente to endorse these timbale he only lasted with company only a few months, Martin Cohen offer a very lucrative deal to Tito Puente and brought him out of Slingerland contract but allowed Slingerland to put the name of Tito Puente on the skins for a short time.

The Sizes of these drums were originally 13/14 but many drummers used 2-14'' drums instead of traditional sizes. The length of these drums In comparison to what the original Leedy from the Conn Music Corp was shorter buy one inch Original Leedy were 7'' and the Slingerland were 6'' . The deeper set may very well be an original Leedy set. I posted a photo also of an original Leedy for you to see they had deeper shells you can note on Leedy and Slingerland if you look from lug down the depth of shell. By the way if you are looking for a set of these Slingerland they all are on ebay. The pan timbales what brand ? those you can get up to 15'' made by numerous company's what he is use? who knows they look like Gretsch.

Been awhile and thanks to all whom have helped me identify these drum kit pieces.

I have found a set of Slingerland timbales as described here and they are on the way.

The PAN timbale set though has me stumped? I can't find any history on Premier pan timbales? Anyone know where I might be able to find these timbales or more info on them?

Thanks,

Jim