That's crazy money were talking here. Is it all just because Ringo had that color? I mean there are wraps that are way more attractive then black oyster, of course that is just my opinion.

Jeff it is also the way his model is made very few got made when the rush happens production increased and the design changed too

I agree and I'd never pay more than $400-500 for a snare, no matter who owned it or what the wrap.

But really, wasn't Ludwig pumping these out like crazy back in the 60s? Shouldn't there be many out there still? They have done alot for economy though. You figure. How many times an OBP is sold and resold and resold again, etc....

Ludwig certainly was pumping them out, but like the other guys were saying, there was only about 12-15 months when they made them exactly like Ringo's (red felt muffler, pre-serial badge, throw configuration, etc). And you gotta remember, when Ringo bought his, he wasn't famous yet – so no one was buying his exact model until he BECAME famous, and by that point, they didn't make them the exact same way anymore. Which means that there are very, very few of those that even exist. There might be plenty of OBP JF's out there, but the ones that are just like Ringo's are VERY uncommon, and command a buttload of cash.

If someone needed one for their "Ringo" kit they could snag up one to match that is not an original/vintage one and save alot of money.....right? How much would one of those run?

......just looked it up - new for around $500.

For the money I've been hearing in this thread alone... Now I can see why I hear guys destroying floor toms for the wrap to use on snares..:[

so then thats why all the 14 ft's are gone, the clones are out there and cannot be disproved whoa, period correct everything so thats also why we dont see many jazzfest with the ringo 5.5 set up, they to are salvaged, this theory would be impossible to prove if they did it factory correct I'll bet its a no brainer on a wood jf with no wrap the scarf would be tuff though and the badge would be hard to reuse the original grommet... so now you need provenance, with the pricy snares original bill of sale etc....

check out the kit Ringo is playing now. it's beautiful!

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Thanks for all the replies , guys . I know of one that may be up for sale very soon , hence my query . To be honest , I'd be buying to flip it . I'm unemployed and from time to time flip some drums to supplement my wife's meager monthly income .

I don't think anyone is destroying 14 OBP floor toms to make snares as that size floor tom is almost harder to find in that wrap than the snare drums. I have heard of people "harvesting" original OBP wrap off 16" floor toms and also bass drums.

Ludwig was cranking out tons of OBP kits between '64 and '68. It had to be close to their best selling color, if it wasn't (and it probably was) but the thing is almost all those sets had a chrome Supra with them the way they were in the catalog. A matching Jazz Festival was a special order and apparently most folks didn't bother since there are a lot more OBP sets than there are matching snares. That's another reason these snares sell for so much because there are a lot of people looking for that matching snare to finish off one of those thousands of OBP sets.

You can get a new drum in the current version of 60's OBP for around $4-500 (for a Classic Maple) but they really don't match all that well (I have a couple of those and while they are nice drums they just don't look quite right when set next to original 60's drums in that wrap).

As far as the $4000 price I mentioned earlier....as my dad is fond of saying "Asking is not getting"...maybe none of them are actually selling for that much at the moment. However, that is the price you'd likely pay if you wanted one right now. For that much you could probably have one on its way to you tomorrow with just a few phone calls. Getting one for less would take more shopping around and/or waiting for one to pop up on ebay (the one currently on ebay is up to $2250 with days yet to go). That is the asking price for the typical 60's jazzfest on OBP with the badge two panels over. Now maybe they are actually selling for substantially less right now. We're not privy to these private sales deals.

One weird thing about this is other OBP snare drums from the 60's also seem to benefit from the "Ringo effect" as people ask higher prices for different models (besides the Jazz Fest) just because they have the Ringo wrap (or even Oyster Blue drums which have no connection to Ringo whatsoever). OBP Pioneers have sold for as much as $1000+ as the "poor man's Ringo Snare".

When I first started hunting for one of these snares back in the late 80's the word was that fewer than 200 of them were ever made. Of course that was from somebody with some to sell (a vintage guy based in Iowa) and based on who knows what. The internet has shown that there are a lot more than that out there but they are still relatively rare (especially the 62-63 ones just like Ringo had) with maybe a couple thousand in the world (if that many). They are hard enough to find (and then to afford) that they become sort of a "holy grail" drum to those of us who seek them. But if you don't want one you'll probably never quite get it...like any collectible sort of pursuit.

Inevitably the market for these will probably collapse as the more rabid Beatles fans start to die off. Interest in them will decline as supply increases (collections being sold off by heirs). Maybe in 25 years these will sell for more or less the same price as a blue or red sparkle Jazz Fest.

All I know is owning one makes me happy and that's all I care about. It was worth it to me just to be able to stop hunting for one.