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What Do You Do To Maintain 'Good Hands'? Last viewed: 1 minute ago

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My All-Time drum hero has always been Papa Jo Jones. To me, he is the drummers' drummer. Papa was one of the most 'musical' drummers there ever was. Listen to this little piece. You'll see what I mean. This cat could really play- the drums! I bust my a$$ practicing just so I can play like him; free, happy and spreading a good vibe. Look at the grin on his face as he plays. That man is having serious fun!

Watch him when he starts the cross-over moves... he makes it look easy!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrKShqNkcnI[/ame]

Enjoy,

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

My All-Time drum hero has always been Papa Jo Jones. To me, he is the drummers' drummer. Papa was one of the most 'musical' drummers there ever was. Listen to this little piece. You'll see what I mean. This cat could really play- the drums! I bust my a$$ practcing so I can play like him, free, happy and spreading a good vibe. Look at the grin on his face as he plays. That man is having serious fun!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrKShqNkcnIEnjoy,John

Holy cow I love Papa Jo Jones. If there's a drummer I want to be like its him. I did a little hi hat thing in high school as a tribute... doesn't even come close to how incredible he is.

Good post Cool1

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Posted on 12 years ago
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I wasn't kidding, I practice just so that when I play, I can have some of the freedom and fun that Papa Jo always had. When I play to entertain myself, I catch myself doing licks on the rims, stick-click riffs with the snares off, playing the drums with my hands etc. and I instantly recognize that it's all the stuff I copped from Papa Jo that comes out of me when I play by unplanned 'stream of consciousness'.

They say copying someone is the highest compliment. Papa is well worth copying.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W3QFNNk3tgI#!

This one is good too....sorry don't know how to post the vid here.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Opinions can vary, it's not about 'who is better than who' what matters is exploring as many options as needed to find the one that works for each individual. What 'works' for you, may not work for me. (Or somebody else.) I offered an option/explanation and a source. Quote: ... and right on with the Dave Weckl (and those other poor Gruber students).Of course, it's always easier to critique and tear down. Just dive down into the Id and unleash the Kraken. Helpful references, alternatives or positive additions to the information offered is always most welcome however. But unless you can play half of what Weckl can play... I'd show a bit more humility in my criticism. It's one thing to 'talk down' to an inferior player, but it's always real hard to fling poop uphill.Thanks for the contribution, but I'm not going to turn this into a debate about which method/school of thought, is right or wrong. There is no right or wrong... again, it's about what -works- for each individual.John

The topic's titled "what do you do to maintain good hands" I would surely think that technique would be included in this discussion as that is the root of "good hand" maintenance (maybe you meant to narrow it to stick routines???). I didn't "dis" Dave's playing/musicality however, just because he can play "well" doesn't mean he can teach well.

From the DW clip, I gathered that he doesn't have a clear understanding of the mechanics of the wrist (along with the hand and arm) and its relationship in the Moeller motions. Therefore, his inadequate explanation is spreading the wrong concepts and producing weaker technique. Gruber is another one that for the life of me I just can't seem to extract an adequate explanation from, without it going in a contradictory circle... 5-minutes with Freddie and my head wants to explode!!! DW made the connection to FG so it's quite easy to see why he isn't well grounded on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=iomrYZ_AAXc

I'll leave it at that....

A routine that I like to warm-up on is a 4/4, 4-measure set of 16-note triplets that starts with:

Single hand-to-hand triplets; followed by double paradiddles; followed by paradiddle-diddles; followed by double stroke rolls (in triplet form). So you cycle from full singles to full doubles in triplet form. Sometimes I'll bounce around with 2/3/4 measures of each "figure" to make a longer set and one that doesn't cycle as fast.

FFR428 That's one of my favorite PJJ clips!!!!

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Hoppy

The topic's titled "what do you do to maintain good hands" I would surely think that technique would be included in this discussion as that is the root of "good hand" maintenance (maybe you meant to narrow it to stick routines???). I didn't "dis" Dave's playing/musicality however, just because he can play "well" doesn't mean he can teach well.From the DW clip, I gathered that he doesn't have a clear understanding of the mechanics of the wrist (along with the hand and arm) and its relationship in the Moeller motions. Therefore, his inadequate explanation is spreading the wrong concepts and producing weaker technique. Gruber is another one that for the life of me I just can't seem to extract an adequate explanation from, without it going in a contradictory circle... 5-minutes with Freddie and my head wants to explode!!! DW made the connection to FG so it's quite easy to see why he isn't well grounded on the subject.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=iomrYZ_AAXcI'll leave it at that....

Probably a good idea, Hoppy. Against the grain ain't welcome in this yard. Hairs be mussed fo sho. ;)

In all seriousness, I have not lost any strength in my hands. It's my arms and wrists that have slowed. I can slap a one hand roll all day ... but the motion around the kit has suffered. After the arm shattered, it hasn't made it back to full speed. I'm good with it, though. I just make it a point to not play with speed metal freaks anymore. ;p

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Wow!! Lots of really interesting routines and warmup information, here. I feel so out of it as, I typically only apply a sall amount of moisturizing cream to my hands, three to four times a day.

Seriously, I never really did any warmup or "hand maintenance", when I was regularly gigging. Between all shows and rehearsals, I suppose I didn't require any?

Anyway, very cool info shared by all.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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AZBILL I wanted to say the same thing earlier. Your reply is a good way to roundover this thread. Tom

Purdie -I really enjoyed the Jack Bennett you tube vid. its in my favorites.

Posted on 12 years ago
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> Anyway, very cool info shared by all.

It was the goal... glad some folks are getting something out of it. Thank you to the people that made informative, positive contributions.

Tom - If you enjoy that basic groove type stuff, Tommy Igoe has a 2 DVD's out that are wall to wall grooves. Some really nice stuff on there. Useful.

Hoppy - Just surprised to hear anybody putting down guys/players like Freddy Gruber, who taught some of the most well known and respected drummers on the scene. ie; Vinny Colliuta (not sure spelling of his last name,) and Neil Peart of Rush to name just two. I may not play in the same style as Weckl, but I respect him as a player and a musician. I never show any disrespect for any musician that has managed to get as accomplished and as far as some of these guys. When you dis Freddy Gruber, you are dissing Charlie Parker's drummer. Freddy was a pioneer in Bop drumming/music. Respect where it is due. That's what I was reacting to, not your opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion always. The way you talked down about them is what caught me off-guard. It kind of insulted my sensibilities/values a bit. I have a lot of respect for the same guys you so readily dismiss as useless teachers, or wrong in what they teach. To each his own...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Um, for what its worth. If I feel Im getting a little rusty with my hand to hand flow, I blaze though the back section (Advanced Rythmic Studies) of the Buddy Rich book. Sometimes to click, or just swinging away on my own wave.

Otherwise I regularly work out of Master Technique Builders for Snare Drum by Anthony J. Cirone.

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