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Okay, these are some photos from the 2013 Chicago drum show and the pictures of this drum are posted here with permission from the owner who is a friend of mine. This is a drum that he pulled out of a barn (Literally farm fresh.) and restored to the condition that you see below. We have spent countless hours both on the phone and in person discussing this particular drum and have had several theories as to what it is and who the makers are but nothing conclusive has been determined yet. I know there are some historians on here that should find it very interesting at the very least so let the discussion begin.

The drum is an old "barrel drum" with a 25.5" head and 22" or 23" shell depth so if you include the hoops then this drum is almost 28" wide.

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The tacks were black when he picked the drum up but after some cleaning it turned out that they were actually brass.

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The label inside the drum reads

"O & H.L. Johnson

Lodi, 1802"

The heads on the both the batter and resonant side are currently goat skin.

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Now here is where it gets interesting and the discussion can start. The next two pictures are form the resonant side of the drum.

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Yep, those are snares and a snare bed and holes in the hoops to receive the snare gut. So, the question is.....................What is it?

We have a few theories but I am interested in what people here have to say about it before sharing.

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You are quite familiar with rope drums. Is there another way of giving it single tension without obscuring the patterns and designs with ropes ?

Are small ropes like those common ?

Just thinking out loud.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Does it have a throw off ?

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
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No throw off and the rope size is 1/4 hemp rope which is quite common with rope drums. 3/8" is also pretty common.

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Bump to see if anyone else might have thoughts on this drum.

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PSA: Don't clean patina off brass antique items.

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Just spit-balling... If it was a military drum intended for field use, I imagine there would have been some kind of identifying decorations and military regalia. Not saying it wasn't intended for field use, just that it would show some kind of identification with a specific unit or whatever.

If it was intended for concert use in a symphony hall, I imagine it could have been used as a 'bass snare drum' for special applications right along-side the snare drum.

More likely it was used as a parade drum as part of a one-man drum corp. with the ability to produce snare and bass rhythms by one guy on one drum! Left hand, snare notes, right hand bass notes.

That is one interesting conversation piece you have there. It's a visually beautiful music instrument as well. Hope you find out what it is!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

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Matt,

I've been thinking about this drum since you first showed me the picture of it. Although you're the resident expert on rope tension drums here, I'm glad you posted a pic of this drum for all of us to "spit-ball" some ideas.

First, I still believe that this is a military signal drum. The shear size demonstrates that this drum was designed for volume... HUGE volume! But why? Certainly not for a concert hall or accompanying the music of the period. Most concert music of the late 18th C. and early 19th C. did not call for bass drums (or any percussion at all except for perhaps timpani). So what would such volume be needed for? My guess is transmitting battlefield (or even garrison) calls and signals to an entire infantry (or "Foot") company. The lack of any company or regimental insignia isn't uncommon. Although we all know of the ornate and brightly painted crests and shields seen on the battlefield drums of the British and French regular troops, local militia units in both the Colonies and Europe often had unmarked, unpainted drums.

So a signal drum is my best guess, but here's a really far-fetched theory:

In addition to learning rudimental calls and signals, military drummers of the period were also taught to imitate the sounds of musket and cannon fire for the purpose of confusing the enemy. So... is it possible this "cannon" of a drum was designed to simulate cannon fire?

Let us know if any of the experts you know ever confirm the origin and purpose of this monster.

See you at the CT Drum Show.

Mike

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
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It was the drum that was used to warn all Americans that the Crazy Canunks are coming back in the war of 1812... !

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

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1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
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