Where is this for sale? What kind of wrap/finish?

So, you are saying that the information in The Rogers Book, where it states that 5-ply shells were maple and poplar is inaccurate? While I certainly trust your knowledge, I haven't been able to turn up any information that the shell is maple/birch. Would it be easy to see the difference between the poplar and birch ply?

I'm currently having a Dynasonic shell built for me by Joe Montineri, who did quite a bit of research on this shell when he worked for Keller. My shell will be 5-ply maple/poplar.

So, now I'm going to have an inaccurate reproduction? Aaagh!! DOH

Mark

Ploughman,

All Rogers 5 ply shells were maple birch or just the Dyna shells?

Cam

Mark,

As far as the revelation from Ploughman that the Dyna shell was actually maple/birch (and there's no reason to question Ploughman's knowledge or sources), it really shouldn't matter. The non-maple, inner plies cannot be seen or identified visually, no matter what wood they might be. And I defy Ploughman, Tommy P., or Joe Montineri himself to discern any audible difference between identical MPMPM and MBMBM shells with identical bearing edges and re-rerings. Choice of heads, snares, tuning, and even snare frame tension will have far greater influence on the sound of a Dyna than will the type of wood of the two inner plies. I think we're placing way too much significance on this whole poplar vs. birch thing. :2Cents:

Mike

I've had a few PMs about the drum. Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181456420789?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

As I've told those who have contacted me, that is an ebay price, and I would be very willing to negotiate with a VDF member. The wrap is darkened silver sparkle; almost a ginger color. The drum is in stellar condition.

Stephen

The Maple Birch revelation came directly from the president of Keller to Harry Cangany. As for identifying a sonic difference? Hell no. They still are the best sounding drums to my ears. No, it wasn't just Dyna-Sonic. That was the shell layup for Rogers drums during the period.

Hi Mike!

Yes, you are absolutely correct in all you say! The separate plies are so thin that there just wouldn't be a difference in sound whether they were birch or poplar. We are all definitely placing too much emphasis on all this ply nonsense. Learning to play drums in the 60's and getting my first professional kit in 1972, a Rogers Celebrity, I was never concerned with the ply makeup, only about the sound. And my Celebrity kit sounded great!

mark

We all know about the sound of these wonderful instruments as the Rogers enthusiasts can relate, but information about plies and esp. inner plies are always welcome as that dark kept secret becomes a little bit lighter.I guess it`s all about the truth of the matter as we all need to know exactly what we have here.Material construction will always be important even if we can`t distinguish the difference in tone.

Wayne

Bravo Wayne! If all we cared about is how they sound, then what's all the fuss about extra holes, old wrap/new wrap, cracked wrap/split wrap, tension rods, hoops, Celebrity, Londoner, Swingtime etc, etc......on and on?

Plus (aweful little secret), what is all of DW's shell development amounting to if the content of the plies is irrelevant?

No, no, we must know!!!! We cannot sit back and take the Clark Gable approach to this subject. Give me knowledge or give me new drums!

Funny Post

Point taken Dan.

Mike