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What year is this Rogers Holiday set?? Last viewed: 43 minutes ago

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I've read some other posts on here regarding Rogers kits. I realize these sizes seem to fall in line with the Londoner Kit? But I'm confused with the Inner tags reading Holiday Series. Some are Cleavland OH. some are Dayton. Trying to see what they may be worth. I've owned them for years. A friend of mine acquired them from an old drum instructor of ours, then years later sold them to my future mother in law because he needed the money. Knowing my future brother in law wouldn't stay with learning drums, I bought them off him. While they owned them, a local vintage drum shop owner tried to give her a new kit in exchange for the Rogers kit. So I always felt that maybe they may have some value, or he just wanted them because they were old. Anyone able to help me identify this beauty?

http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bsh06/library/Rogers%20Holiday%20Series

Posted on 10 years ago
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The drums were all made in the Covington, Ohio factory. The Rogers administrative offices were moved from Cleveland to Dayton in 1966 when CBS bought the Rogers company from Grossman Music. My guess is that all of the drums were made right around the time of the transition from Cleveland to Dayton paper tags. They wasted nothing in that factory. Newer paper tags got mixed in with the older tags. They even crossed out words on labels to write in the correct names of the drums receiving the badges. Chronological order of the numbered tags was haphazard at best.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 10 years ago
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From brando brae

a local vintage drum shop owner tried to give her a new kit in exchange for the Rogers kit. So I always felt that maybe they may have some value, or he just wanted them because they were old. Anyone able to help me identify this beauty? http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bsh06/library/Rogers%20Holiday%20Series

Always be on your guard when someone who's knowledgeable about vintage drums offers the courtesy of taking your "old, worn" drums off your hands in exchange for a shiny new kit. That's a sure-fire sign that you have something of value.

First, Leedybdp is, as usual, spot-on with his assessment of the dating of your kit. 1966 was the transitional year between the Cleveland tags and the Dayton tags, and both tags often appear on the same factory assembled kit. Although dating by Rogers serial numbers is an inexact science, if your kit was pieced together any earlier (1965), it could not possess a Dayton tag, and if it was produced later (1967), the bass would have the newer flat T-rods rather than the older faucet style.

Second, you do NOT have a Londoner setup. The 1967 Londoner had a double mounted tom configuration, as did it's Cleveland predecessor, the Top Hat outfit. Your setup is closer to a Headliner outfit, although that usually came stock with a knobby cymbal holder rather than a Swivo collet mount.

Lastly, it's difficult to estimate your kit's value without close examination for any modifications or damages, but it appears to be in beautiful condition. Adding to your kit's value is the matching wood Powertone snare along with the Swivo pedal and swan-leg high hat. Your 13-16-22 configuration is common, and wouldn't command the super-high prices the more rare 12-14-20 setups get, but you definitely have a very desirable set there.

I hope this info helps, and I'd like to see some of our Rogers experts weigh in with their opinions.

Mike

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
Posted on 10 years ago
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I hesitate--actually avoid--using the catalog labels for drum set configurations of Rogers drum sets. Why? I ordered my first Rogers drum set in 1961 with gift money from my high school graduation. I ordered all Holiday model drums in Black Diamond Pearl in the following sizes: 14x20, 16x16, 8x12, and matching 5x14 Holiday snare drum. I ordered the right-handed set with a disappearing cymbal rod and tilter on my right and Swivomatic tom mount and Swivomatic snare drum mount to my left of center. This four piece set looked like a few sets in the catalog with names for the confgurations. But, none of them was configured exactly like the set that I ordered. I could go though several other drums sets of various brands I have owned for which the catalog pictures with names for configurations did not include the exact configurations of my drum sets. The local music store owners in Chicago tended to order their own choices of set ups to display in their shops.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Don't sell that configuration short (13-16-22!). A Cleveland (flat gray) 22" bass drum is not all that common plus it is a fantastic sounding bass drum.

Dave Z

Posted on 10 years ago
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I ordered my Rogers in 67`in a left handed configuration and you could pretty much order them anyway you wanted back in those days.Unless you`re absolutely cash strapped hang on to them,barring any modifications that is.That is one pretty looking drum set and if you absolutely do need to sell them make sure they fall into caring hands.Beautiful drums...

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. Wayne, it would break my heart to sell these, but I'm married and have three young kids at home. I'm a full time drummer for hire here in the MI. area but also have my own original music that I write and produce. After my third CD my wife was hoping that would be the end of recording and releasing my own music (lol) I don't blame her because it's so expensive. So low and behold, I have another 10 songs ready to produce and hopefully release, but very little money to do so.

I currently have 5 drum kits and 1 cocktail kit (a mash up consisting of a custom 18X24" cocktail bass drum to look like the Rogers kit and an old Slingerland cocktail drum that also matches the Rogers finish "that I modified and turned into one very deep snare drum) . 2 of the kits are vintage and the Rogers are in the better shape and most likely worth more so I feel in order to continue releasing my music, it may come at the cost of losing my Rogers.

Anyone have an idea on what these would go for? From the research I've done, it seems a good starting point may be $2000 for the drums, hi-hat stand and kick pedal?

I'm just kicking the idea around, not sure I could part with them. They're in fantastic shape, and I actually used them on the last record I recorded. They sounded awesome!!

Posted on 10 years ago
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I would tend to agree with the guys that these fall around 66, except one tag makes me think late 66 to early 67 at serial no. 69xxx. Nice set for sure. $2000 with the PowerTone and the hardware is reasonable.

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From brando brae

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Wayne, it would break my heart to sell these, but I'm married and have three young kids at home. I'm a full time drummer for hire here in the MI. area but also have my own original music that I write and produce. After my third CD my wife was hoping that would be the end of recording and releasing my own music (lol) I don't blame her because it's so expensive. So low and behold, I have another 10 songs ready to produce and hopefully release, but very little money to do so. I currently have 5 drum kits and 1 cocktail kit (a mash up consisting of a custom 18X24" cocktail bass drum to look like the Rogers kit and an old Slingerland cocktail drum that also matches the Rogers finish "that I modified and turned into one very deep snare drum) . 2 of the kits are vintage and the Rogers are in the better shape and most likely worth more so I feel in order to continue releasing my music, it may come at the cost of losing my Rogers. Anyone have an idea on what these would go for? From the research I've done, it seems a good starting point may be $2000 for the drums, hi-hat stand and kick pedal? I'm just kicking the idea around, not sure I could part with them. They're in fantastic shape, and I actually used them on the last record I recorded. They sounded awesome!!

Understood brando brae,life is full of give and take and your family is a top priority for certain.I also can well understand it breaking your heart to have to come to parting with them...As Dan Boucher has mentioned the $2,000. range is a reasonable price to ask and they look to be in wonderful condition.I`m sure you won`t have a problem moving them along,but whenever i see a fantastic vintage Rogers set change hands i always hope that they`ll go to someone who respects them and will treat them as such.Best of luck with your new original songs...

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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Your kit was shown in the 1964 catalog as the 'Swingtime' outfit. It had a disappearing cymbal arm instead of an l-arm.

Of course, the sizes shown in the catalog for a given outfit were only the 'suggested' sizes. The specific sizes desired could easily be done however the buyer wanted. And yet, the majority of the kits we see match what was shown in the catalog for that layout.

20" basses were by far the most common size in the Ohio years. A 22-13-16 set from mid-60's Ohio is a real prize.

90% of the Rogers kits out there came with one of the standard configurations shown in the catalog: Celebrity, Headliner, Top hat, Swingtime, etc. But as I mentioned above, the sizes sometimes vary depending on what the original buyer wanted.

Keep in mind that over the last 50 years, a lot of kits were modified by subsequent owners: tom mounts moved or added, cymbal mounts added, cheap Japanese tom mounts added, etc. These mods can really wreck the value of a kit - originality is the first priority to a buyer of vintage drums. Sometimes you will see a kit listed on eBay where the seller touts some later mods to a set as being an 'improvement'. Not so.

As stated by the guys here, your kit is a mix. The two Cleveland drums and the snare are from 1964-5 and that floor tom is from 1966-7. The CBS takeover was in 1966. The city on the tags changed to Dayton a short time later, within a month or two it has been estimated. Dayton drums were identical to the Cleveland drums for around 6 months after the takeover.

That kit may have been originally delivered without the floor tom, and the floortom added a year or two later, usually because of money constraints. Or possibly the original floor tom was stolen or damaged a year or two after the kit was delivered and was replaced.

Or, the kit may have sat on a dealer's shelf without a floor tom for a couple of years, and then a floor tom was ordered to complete the kit prior to delivery. Lot's of reasons the drum is later than the rest of the kit. But the Dayton drum is identical to the cleveland drums, so it doesn't really matter.

If your kit is as nice as it looks in the photos, it's worth $2000-2500. That Powertone maple snare is worth $500 by itself.

That bass pedal and hihat can bring $100-200 each if they are in nice shape.

No way it should be traded in a deal like you mentioned: sounds like someone was trying to take advantage of those folks.

List it for sale here, or on Drumforum.org, or eBay. I don't recommend Craigslist.

Nice kit, they record beautifully, too bad you can't keep it - that's a great opportunity for you.

Good luck!

Posted on 10 years ago
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