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What's the difference between a Radio King and my 1961 Super Gene Krupa snare? Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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I am selling off all my vintage drums and I had a snare I was holding back. Pretty sweet Super Gene Krupa.

Anyway, everything must go so I put it on eBay. I see a lot of people calling some snares Radio Kings that I don't think are actual Radio Kings.

Can anyone clear me up on this?

I thought the clam shell was on the Krupa and the 3 point on the RK

And, I see RK snares have engraved hoops.

Appears to be the same shell.

Here is the auction with pictures of my snare. I sold it as a SGK, not a RK. Just wondering if I was accurate..... http://www.ebay.com/itm/321313921670?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

This was from a set that I took from the pits of hell and restored. Came out pretty nice. There's a pic of the entire set in the auction.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I'm definitely no expert but the 55 catalog describes the same drum as the Super Gene Krupa Radio King. In the 1960 catalog the Radio King name has gone. So maybe if it was once called a Radio King it can always be called one?

BTW - nice drum

Andrew

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Posted on 11 years ago
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+1, really pretty snare drum. There were two types of wood Krupa snares as well. The super with a clam shell strainer and the regular Krupa with a 3 point.

Steve

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Posted on 11 years ago
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The old Radio King question rears it's confusing head again. I have read and seen so many explanations of what is and isn't a Radio King,

some claimed it had to have a single ply shell, but there are 3 ply snares with Radio King engraved on the hoops, there was also a school of thought that the extension bars on the snare mechanism mad it a Radio King, but the Buddy Rich model didn't have them and was still catalogued as a Radio King.

The best way I have found to explain it is that the term Radio King is just a marketing tool, it was applied by Slingerland to give their brand a bit of pezaz.

It was dropped at some point in the late 50s probably because radio had been upstaged by television and sounded dated.

Most of Slingerlands drums, including the student models are good quality drums, being catalogued Radio King just gives it a bit of added romance to the vintage drum community, and we all need a bit of romance now and then.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Talking of romance, if only I could get my hands on that babe I'd sing to it under the moonlight, buy it flowers and take it to my mother :)

Fantastic snare and fantastic kit...

Alex

Posted on 11 years ago
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Page 159 of Rob Cook's "The Slingerland Book" states the following:

It has unfortunately beome the custom among vintage drum dealers and collectors to refer to all Slingerland solid-shell wood drums as Radio Kings and to not consider any drum a Radio King unless it has a one-piece (as opposed to plied) shell. What really distinguished the Radio King Models from other Slingerland drums were the "Radio King Brackets" which drew the tension on the snares outward rather than upward.

When the Radio King drums were introduced in 1936, the "brackets" called for a modification of the 967 strainer. The strainer with the flange out away from the drum shell for Radio King use was identified as the 967B, while the old-style 967 became known as the 967A.

The 967A would in 1948 be renamed the Rapid strainer. (It remained unchanged except the name.) It retained that name until the #673 was introduced. (To further confuse the issue, the 1955 catalog refers to a 967A as a Radio King strainer (though it's mounted on a drum without the RK brackets) and to the 967B as a Rapid Strainer.)

The upper section of the three-point strainers, which originally had been a separate piece secured by a thumbscrew so it could be swiveled down out of the way for transporting (and some playing situations), was eventually made an integral part of the strainer. The first catalog parts page to show this change was 1963, though the change was certainly made much earlier - possibly as early as the late '40's. Thee strainers were referred to (in the parts section of the 1963 catalog) as Radio King Strainers; the 967B was identified for use with the metal strap snares, while the 967A had 12 holes for gut, silk, or wire snares.

Also on page 184 of "The Slingerland Book" there is more:

The successor of the Duall as Slingerland's top-of-the-line snare drum was the Radio King. To many of today's vintage drum dealers and collectors, any Slingerland snare drum that has a solid maple shell is considered a Radio King. This is technically incorrect, as Slingerland produced other models with solid maple shells which were never marketed as Radio Kings, and sold Radio King snare drums with plied shells. (Tom toms supplied with Radio King drum outfits sported hoops engraved Radio King, though tom toms were never made with solid shells.) A better way to identify a true Radio King snare drum is the presence of the snare support brackets on both strainer and butt ends; these are part of the basis of the patent.

I don't know if that cleared it up or not. I'm under the impression if the snares extend out past the snare beds and out to brackets, it's a Radio King whether it's a single-ply or three-ply. Similar to a Rogers Dynasonic without a complete Dyna snare frame, I would think a Radio King snare with brackets, but not the proper length snare wires that extend out to the brackets, is not a "complete" Radio King. Slingerland had several snares such as Concert Kings that did not have the brackets.

So I would consider the drum in your auction a Radio King based on the snares. Funny the confusion about Radio King snares...I too am confused what constitutes a Hollywood Ace!

Dan

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks Dan,

Have been trying to sort RK or not issues for quite awhile. Typical with the build the drums with whatever, bunch on Slingy's assembly line, RK hoops will show up on non RK's.

Best I can tell RK's had large beavertail lugs. Some Super Lug may be RK but not a given.

I've thrown in the towel and decided it doesn't matter. Great drums.

Creighton

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks guys. I always find good information here.

The guy who bought it just backed out of the deal so if someone is looking for a nice Slingerland Radio King ...ah er, ah, Super Gene Krupa snare, let me know. LOL

Thanks again, guys.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From red66charger

Page 159 of Rob Cook's "The Slingerland Book" states the following: It has unfortunately beome the custom among vintage drum dealers and collectors to refer to all Slingerland solid-shell wood drums as Radio Kings and to not consider any drum a Radio King unless it has a one-piece (as opposed to plied) shell. What really distinguished the Radio King Models from other Slingerland drums were the "Radio King Brackets" which drew the tension on the snares outward rather than upward. When the Radio King drums were introduced in 1936, the "brackets" called for a modification of the 967 strainer. The strainer with the flange out away from the drum shell for Radio King use was identified as the 967B, while the old-style 967 became known as the 967A. The 967A would in 1948 be renamed the Rapid strainer. (It remained unchanged except the name.) It retained that name until the #673 was introduced. (To further confuse the issue, the 1955 catalog refers to a 967A as a Radio King strainer (though it's mounted on a drum without the RK brackets) and to the 967B as a Rapid Strainer.) The upper section of the three-point strainers, which originally had been a separate piece secured by a thumbscrew so it could be swiveled down out of the way for transporting (and some playing situations), was eventually made an integral part of the strainer. The first catalog parts page to show this change was 1963, though the change was certainly made much earlier - possibly as early as the late '40's. Thee strainers were referred to (in the parts section of the 1963 catalog) as Radio King Strainers; the 967B was identified for use with the metal strap snares, while the 967A had 12 holes for gut, silk, or wire snares.Also on page 184 of "The Slingerland Book" there is more: The successor of the Duall as Slingerland's top-of-the-line snare drum was the Radio King. To many of today's vintage drum dealers and collectors, any Slingerland snare drum that has a solid maple shell is considered a Radio King. This is technically incorrect, as Slingerland produced other models with solid maple shells which were never marketed as Radio Kings, and sold Radio King snare drums with plied shells. (Tom toms supplied with Radio King drum outfits sported hoops engraved Radio King, though tom toms were never made with solid shells.) A better way to identify a true Radio King snare drum is the presence of the snare support brackets on both strainer and butt ends; these are part of the basis of the patent.I don't know if that cleared it up or not. I'm under the impression if the snares extend out past the snare beds and out to brackets, it's a Radio King whether it's a single-ply or three-ply. Similar to a Rogers Dynasonic without a complete Dyna snare frame, I would think a Radio King snare with brackets, but not the proper length snare wires that extend out to the brackets, is not a "complete" Radio King. Slingerland had several snares such as Concert Kings that did not have the brackets. So I would consider the drum in your auction a Radio King based on the snares. Funny the confusion about Radio King snares...I too am confused what constitutes a Hollywood Ace!Dan

This is not the whole story either as the Buddy Rich model did not have the brackets but was a Radio King. Murky isn't it.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Sorry the guy backed out. Did he give a reason??

Steve

1967 Slingerland 12,13,16,20 White Satin Flame
1968 Slingerland 12,14,16,20 Light Blue Pearl
Posted on 11 years ago
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