Been seeing a few late 50's, early 60's Ludwig snares described as 3 x 13 piccolo snare drums for sale on ebay. They've got the sideways lugs like the downbeat snares. Are they really downbeat snares, and if not what makes them different from the downbeat snare? I'd love to find a bop downbeat for my 67 bop downbeat kit, but as they are few and far between and extremely expensive - I thought maybe one of these piccolo's could be rewrapped for the same effect. Thanks.
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4x14 is the downbeat
April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp
once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp
once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
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Thanks for the quick answer! Now I can shelve that idea, and shucks I should have known that. I had tried to research it, but my focus was on finding info on downbeats from that earlier time. Do you happen to know when the downbeat snare came into existence? Thanks again.
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I am slowly starting to forget some of my older knowledge but I think the downbeat snare may have come out around 1959 or so. The jazz combo is the 3x13 while the downbeat is the 4x14. In 1959 they also made a model called the Las Vegas model which was a 4x13 but that only lasted a year or so.
a BOP 4x14 might be pretty hard to come by. You might be able to find a really beat up one and recover it in a new version of oyster black. This snare was pretty messed long before I got it and I made a Ringo clone out of it. The wrap is from bum wrap and it'called Ed Sullivan.
Ringo's original snare is at the top and my clone is at the bottom. It's darker than Ringo's but I'm pretty happy with the way it looks.
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I am slowly starting to forget some of my older knowledge but I think the downbeat snare may have come out around 1959 or so. The jazz combo is the 3x13 while the downbeat is the 4x14. In 1959 they also made a model called the Las Vegas model which was a 4x13 but that only lasted a year or so. a BOP 4x14 might be pretty hard to come by. You might be able to find a really beat up one and recover it in a new version of oyster black. This snare was pretty messed long before I got it and I made a Ringo clone out of it. The wrap is from bum wrap and it'called Ed Sullivan. Ringo's original snare is at the top and my clone is at the bottom. It's darker than Ringo's but I'm pretty happy with the way it looks.
Kurt!
... course we can't leave out the 1st piccolo that WFL/Ludwig offered back in 1949. That drum was specifically designed and built for Buddy Rich at his request. It is indeed a 3X13, and has the "sideways" lugs .. but .. these are the solid brass lugs with NO INSERTS, thus they were very prone to the tension rods cross threading and stripping if the drummer was not very careful when changing heads! I have one in the Buddy Rich snare drum collection, and I'll attach a pic here for all to see. These are pretty rare today, and especially so in this condition. That all said, this was quite prior to the 1967 model that drummer2012 is looking for, and also prior to the redesign of the Downbeat lug, which was now more robust AND had inserts!
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Nice pics guys. Thanks for sharing. That Buddy Rich is a thing of beauty for sure!
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Another way to spot the Jazz Combo (13") vs Downbeat (14") just from pictures is
13" = 6 sideways lugs
14" = 8 sideways lugs
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