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I thought this only happened to other people, but it finally happened to me, and man, is it ever a sad thing to discover. Like many of us, I always wanted an oyster black pearl Ludwig Downbeat kit as part of my collection, for the usual reasons... I love the look of them, and yes, I'm also a huge Beatles fan. So I picked up a highly molested and rewrapped (in gloss black) set of Downbeat shells with some old Zildjians and some hardware for $100 back in the fall with the intention of it being a big overhaul project and I was going to wrap them in the 60's oyster black and make a fun player's kit out of it. So, I stowed them away for the winter and today I finally decided to go and have a closer look at them so I could start on my parts list and get the project rolling. Out of curiositym I started peeling away the wrap just to see how stuck on there it was, and I almost fell over... yup, you guessed it... OBP under there!

Unfortunately, no part of this story is good - the OBP wrap is covered in hardened glue, and the bass drum shell has been 'swiss cheesed' by the previous guy who had them (see pics). The 12" tom also has extra holes from an aftermarket mount, as does the 14". It gets worse, just when I thought I'd try to salvage the wrap and have some kind of mangled OBP player kit on my hands, I peeled back the wrap on the 14 and saw that the OBP had been removed - all that's left is what was peeking out of the scarf joint. The outer mahogany ply of the 14" ft was varnished, so my guess is that the guy intended to go bare wood on the kit, then realized that it was a p.i.t.a. to remove the wrap, and then elected to slather glue on all of them and re-wrap them in black DOH

So, the pics are as follows: Peeling back the bass drum wrap to have a peek, Peeling back the 12" tom wrap to have a peek, Interior of the Bass drum (oh, did I mention they painted the bass drum black on the inside??? - GOOD GRIEF!)

Anyway, sorry for being so long winded about it, but I just had to share my story Violin

Indeed, now I've seen it all!

Posted on 12 years ago
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there mite be a way to help you out of your dilemma ill buy them off you and have a go at the restoration / conservation gary

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 12 years ago
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I am sure the cymbals alone are worth the price of admission. Congrats.

Posted on 12 years ago
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True about the cymbals...I was thinking, man, I'm glad it was a hundred bucks. Still...sad story!

Posted on 12 years ago
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What a tragedy! Man. Well, too bad about that original wrap, but you can still make a really fun player out of it.

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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Posted on 12 years ago
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The horror.

See? Not everyone should be allowed to own a drum set!! Case in point. Good grief.

As mentioned, you can still do something fun with this kit. You only paid 100 bucks; not the end of the world. What was done to these drums, however, comes close!

Anyway, I look forward to see what you do. I'd remove all wraps, plug the holes, re-wrap and build that Ringo kit you wanted. I would do WMP, myself.

Best of luck!

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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Well you were planning on rewraping anyway...

I like Drums...
1963 Ludwig Downbeat Champagne Sparkle
1964 Leedy (Slingerland) Blue n Silver Duco
1964 Ludwig Club Date Sparkling Silver Pearl
1966 Ludwig Super Classic Sparkling Silver Pearl
1968 Gretsch round badge modern jazz orange stain
1972 Slingerland 85N Pop outfit Light Blue Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite clear
1981 Gretsch SSB Gran Prix Rosewood
1987 Yamaha Turbo Tour Custom Mellow Yellow
1991 Pearl Export Ferrari Red
Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks for all the comments. I'll try to address all of the comments in one go:

I should have given more info on what I got for the $100. I think it was a pretty good deal, so I'm not upset about that at all. I got a set of 14" zildjian hi hats, a 16" thin crash and a 20" med ride (all 60's 3 dot), an old Pearl hi hat stand, bass pedal, cymbal stand, Atlas snare stand and cymbal stand and throne. Not bad, I think. I basically considered the molested downbeat shells a bonus as a project.

jaghog - I'm definitely going to attempt the restore. I think I may try to salvage the OBP wrap after removing it and see if I can wrap a snare in it and use the rest for bass hoop inlays. I'm sure enough guys could use some.

plexi - Yes, I agree. I'd pay the hundred bucks for just the cymbals any day of the week!

bfulton - Yes, the truly sad part was seeing what was done to what would have otherwise been many guys' dream kit. Makes me glad that we do what we do to preserve these great instruments.

moonweasel - Indeed, too bad... but yes, I will make a really cool player out of it and it will regain some of the respect it once had, and still deserves.

AZBill - Well said. I'll definitely keep you guys posted on the rebuild. I'm leaning towards doing the ringo kit. I agree that the wmp would be great, but I've got a club date in line for that... oh yeah!

clubdate64 - True, I was always intending to rewrap... I was just so surprised to see what I saw, especially since I was planning to recreate that, and that's what was there originally. What are the chances? It was just a strange ironic coincidence, I suppose. Anyway, onward and upward... my project will continue as originally planned.

Posted on 12 years ago
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What were they thinking??? Definitely worth a proper re-wrap for sure, and also probably worth taking the time to see how much of the original can be salvaged, and reused. Nice score!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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i believe it can be restore if the finish can be remove, ive done25 + layers of paint off wood work and glues to get to a 1880's woodgrain from a artist from europe on a 1850 historic site... so it can be done

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 12 years ago
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