My opinion, and it ain't worth much around some parts of this here forum, is "Dayumm, what a find, and more inportantly, tell us how this little girl sounds!!!???"

It sounded SWEET until an hour ago when I removed the rims/heads to wipe it down and one of the rim clips broke. It has a nice tone with the strainer up but snares slightly loose.

But now it's de-tuned until I can find a replacement clip. Ugh.

[COLOR="Green"]Farnes - Ooops! I already posted this new reply in your thread but I am posting it again here to try and keep this info about your beautiful drum on this thread for others to use as a resource too.

Thanks for posting your photos here!!![/COLOR]

Based on the Ludwig catalogue and advertising documents. Your snare is likely to be an “All Metal Separate Tension” from 1922 (It is possible it is from 1921 but without a catalogue or Ludwig ad from that year being available I wouldn’t say for sure. A 1922 ad reads “A new flanged counter hoop...” etc). In 1923 the catalogues mention 8 lugs as standard. They were standard 6 luggers prior to that and before 1922 (1921?) those 6 luggers weren’t depicted with single flanged hoops. Your snare does appear to have the 2 piece/ 4 seam shell also. The available catalogues and ads only depict that style (6 lug, single flange hoops) for one year 1922.

Where is the logo located in relation to the snare lever (strainer) on your drum?

Cool1

510 -- The pleasure is all mine. Thank you for offering the info and opinions!! Below is a copy of the response I just posted on the other thread:

Mike7- Thank you for the ID on the rope-tension snare slides. That mystery was particular nagging me. Whew! Also, I measures the kick drum while the hoops were on, and it looked like 28" to me. But that fact the would've expected 27-1/2 inches makes me want to remove the hoops and re-measure to verify -- it could possibly measure out to 27-1/2 w/o the hoops.

ludwig-dude: Thank you for generously offering the snare clip to me. This is such great community!! I should be fine with the clip OldSchool send me -- but wow! It's totally cool the folks here help each other out.

Regarding the snare drum -- the logo is right next to the strainer (this would be your left when looking at the strainer). So the logo and the strainer both are placed between the same two lugs, i.e. "lug, logo, strainer, lug".

You can also see the vent hole in this pic. It is midway between the first and middle lugs of the three facing the you in the pic. So ignoring the three lugs that are on the far half of the drum in this picture, from left to right its lug, vent hole, lug, logo, strainer, lug. I hope I'm making sense with this description.

vmore --I have: the triangle, the castanet, the comb-like cymbal mount, the pedal, the Ludwig snare drum stand, and a tube-shaped wood block w/holder. I witnessed the chinese tom and the tamborine but failed to acquire them. I saw no cymbals at all at the sale.

OK. This is a blast BTW! Thank you guys for all of the info you are offering! This might throw a monkey wrench in -- but there was one drum at the sale that was not for sale (no reason given). It looked like a wood snare drum with rope tension system, and the coloring was similar to the kick drum. I did not get to look at it closely at all, but it was probably a Ludwig. Perhaps thart was the original snare drum to the kit, and my snare drum was an add-on.

Does anyone know the logo timeline? I'm wondering how the paper label in the kick times out with the engraved logo on the snare. Also - there were two small marching snare music books inside the case (which is a couple of inches wider than the drum -- too wide actually, but depth of case is correct). On the inside covers is written (omitted here>, Masonic Band, Atlantic City N.J. 1930.

I THINK I have an example of a 1918-1919 drum. Look forward to hearing what the experts say. I will get pics up here soon. It has gut snares, no flange hoops, six lugs, L&L stamped on the top hoop, original bottom head. The coolest thing is that it is a 6.5x14 model!

Pics soon!

-Adam

Sorry these pics are so crappy. Its dark here and the only lights in my place have a yellow tint. Hope to get some better ones outside tomorrow. Can anyone pinpoint when this drum might have been made? Seems like an early one to me!

Thanks!

Adam

POS, just toss it in a box and I'll "donate" it to a worthy cause. I'll even offer to pay the shipping....

Nice Adam. Looks sweet, hope it sounds as nice.

Thanks Jonni!

I have been looking more and more at the catalogue scans on here...and this one seems to be an early one to me. Anyone else? Is it beneficial for me to post some nicer pics or is this something that is well documented already?

Thanks,

Adam

thisbright14 - Sorry I missed this recent post! Your photos seem fine but the more details you post the better for future reference.

I hope other folks that have EXACT catalogue matches will post detailed photos of their Ludwig P338 drums on this thread.

I think your date is likely to be correct. I'm no expert though, so just go by the catalogues. Nice drum!

Thanks thisbright14 !

Cool1

510. Farnes and all others that have contributed to this thread, we are Indeed Grateful. this is to my knowledge the only source that is trying to compile this Information on the earliest Ludwig metal shelled and wood shelled drums and especially the P338 strainer equipped drums. here are a few pics.these are off the 5x14 all metal ten lug 1927-28 model