Mark, they really are as low as they can go! I'm just slightly above wrinkle on the toms! (13", 16") If I tune them in the middle of their range, then they sound 'jazzy' (high) to me. I like them where they are now. I have a crappy mic in the videocam I'm using which I'm sure isn't helping much sound quality-wise in the recording. John
The kit sounds great and you have a nice touch. Maybe it's those Gretsch shells that's throwing me, because I can can tune the toms on my Rogers kit so low, they rumble.