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A little help from Ludwig Standard Owners Last viewed: 2 hours ago

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I have 2 different Ludwig Standard projects going and noticed a very strange difference with the 2 kick drums badge/grommet placements.

I am working on a blue strata kit that had a couple holes in the kick right above the tom holder a seen in the first pic. I thought maybe the hole without the grommet was maybe the original because it is more centered but I found another hole under the hoop into the re-ring telling me that the non grommet hole was part of some added cymbal or tom holder.

Then I went to look at my gold strata kick drum badge/grommet placement to make a comparison and the placement of the hole on that drum is centered and way closer to the top hole of the tom holder.

If any Ludwig Standard owners could measure the distance between the top hole of the tom holder bracket and the center of the grommet hole it would be greatly appreciated. I think someone was tipping the bottle at the ol Luddy factory when this blue strata was drilled!

Thanks in advance!

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1954 Gretsch Name Band Outfit White Marine Pearl
1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
1965 Ludwig Club Date Kit BDP
1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
Numerous Snare Drums
Posted on 9 years ago
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I'm not sure if it was still the case in the Standard era (1968-1973) but there is video (available on youtube) taken in the Ludwig factory around 1964 showing the production line in action and in that video the worker drilling for the vent hole just eyeballs it and drills. If this was common practice then that could explain varying placement of vent holes (as well as those that are off center).

Posted on 9 years ago
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I think more than one guy was tipping the bottle at the Ludwig plant in those days. I've see some odd things on a lot of different kits. We all know Ludwig didn't have the best quality control then, so it's not surprising.Falling Do

Posted on 9 years ago
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From johnnyringo

I think more than one guy was tipping the bottle at the Ludwig plant in those days. I've see some odd things on a lot of different kits. We all know Ludwig didn't have the best quality control then, so it's not surprising.Falling Do

Who had quality control in 1970? Hah!

But for all the talk about lack of quality from back then, I've never found bad stuff from then, that originated at the factory.....

I've seen a few un-centered badges on toms, but all of those were pre 1967, when they had 3 shifts working.....

I've never heard of a drum company sending out stuff with extra holes.

In 45 years no one else might have drilled an extra hole in your drum?

Posted on 9 years ago
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Thanks for the replies fellas!

Someone did drill 2 extra holes on the blue strata but the grommeted hole is the original from the factory as best I can tell. The extra 2 holes are a bit rough and line up perfectly for a Luddy tom/cymbal holder. So the grommeted hole I believe is it.

I have no doubt these will sound every bit as good as my other vintage 3 plies regardless I was just curious what the length between the top hole of the tom holder and vent hole was on other people's Luddy standards.

1954 Gretsch Name Band Outfit White Marine Pearl
1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
1965 Ludwig Club Date Kit BDP
1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
Numerous Snare Drums
Posted on 9 years ago
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I'll get mine down from the top rack of my drum room, and let you know what the mesurement is. I have a hunch that ten people measuring our Standards for that particular measurement might get ten different numbers by as little as 1/16th of an inch to 1/2 of an inch.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 9 years ago
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I appreciate it Leedy! You are probably right with your hunch. I am just curious since the difference between the 2 of mine are nearly and inch and a half.

Thanks again!

1954 Gretsch Name Band Outfit White Marine Pearl
1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
1965 Ludwig Club Date Kit BDP
1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
Numerous Snare Drums
Posted on 9 years ago
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From leedybdp

I'll get mine down from the top rack of my drum room, and let you know what the mesurement is. I have a hunch that ten people measuring our Standards for that particular measurement might get ten different numbers by as little as 1/16th of an inch to 1/2 of an inch.

And there you are... I've got three Standard's. Two have 20" bass drums, neither quite match. The 22" is the closest to 'normal' (whatever that is).

Mine are bagged, but if I have too, I'll drag 'em out.

fishwaltz
Posted on 9 years ago
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I measured the distance (centerline - mount bolt to vent hole) on my 14x22 Standard as 2 1/4". The badge was off center about 1/2".

Collecting information about the following for ongoing research projects:
Gretsch drums with serial numbers,
Ludwig Keystone and B/O badge drums with serial numbers and date stamps,
Ludwig Standards from 1968-73, and
Ludwigs with paper labels from 1971-72
www.GretschDrumDatingGuide.com
Posted on 9 years ago
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Thanks KC! So your distance is actually really close to my Blue Strata and no where near the distance of my gold strata as well. I would have thought the gold strata distance on my kick would have been closer to some kind of normal but appears they were just eyeballing and letting it rip. Thanks again

1954 Gretsch Name Band Outfit White Marine Pearl
1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
1965 Ludwig Club Date Kit BDP
1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
Numerous Snare Drums
Posted on 9 years ago
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