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Anyone playing the Remo "Vintage A" head yet? Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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Just preparing to re-head an old Rogers set. Dynasonic snare. Remo has a "new" head called the Vintage A. Been away from drumming for a number of years (35!!!), but the name struck me as something I may want to consider. This head was originally only available in a 14 inch, but I understand shortly (couple of weeks) it will be out in various other sizes, such as 12, 13, and 16. Trying to figure out if it would be a good head to slap on my drums. I want white heads on the bottom of the toms as well (even though apparantly many like the clear). Don't really want a lot of tom tom ring. Any recommendations? What should I use on the snare bottom, hazy ambassador or hazy diplomat? The thinnest one possible?? Thanks in advance, Chuck

Posted on 17 years ago
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My last diplomat failed within three weeks tuned to dynasonic specs. I put an Ambassador back on that one. First one Ive ever seen do that. Stretched and stretched and .... didnt break but got to the point the bottom rim was almost flush with the bearing edge. It would not hold tension. Took it off and it was twice as deep as it should have been.

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Posted on 17 years ago
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So Ploughman, what are you saying, neither the Diplomat nor Ambassador worked as a Dyna snare side head?? Also, do you know anything about these remo Vintage A heads? Opinion one way or the other?

Posted on 17 years ago
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Ambassador is a good snare side head for the Dynasonic. Thats what is on most of mine. I think theres two that have a diplomat snare side. But either head is good for that. My above mentioned problem was limited to just one single snare head. It was probably defective, but ......... it would look silly dragging a stretched out diplomat back to the store.

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http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 17 years ago
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So, is it mostly true that the thinnest head is usually better for the snare side? Or is it dependent on the type of drum/snares? Here, again, it's a Dyna-S. Thanks again for your expert advice. I'm so lame, been away from drumming since about 1976.

Posted on 17 years ago
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Chuck,

The bottom head for a snare drum is made to be extra-thin -specifically to enhance the snare sensitivity and compensate for the muting effect of the wire-set. They are called "snare side heads" and they usually are only a few mil. thick. They are NOT meant as batter heads and will easily dent/tear if they are used for batter heads.

The batter heads are different. They are meant to be played upon (obviously).

Make it easy on yourself and stick to the basic formula for most snare drums:

Batter head - Get a coated Remo Ambassador

Snare side - Get a Remo Ambassador (or Diplomat) weight SNARE side head

Those two types of heads are available almost anywhere and are commonly accepted as being standards in the industry.

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Posted on 17 years ago
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Ok, I'm a pain in the ass! What's the difference between an Ambassedor and Diplomat snare side head? My thinking is one has to be better than the other (for this particular use).

Posted on 17 years ago
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Diplomats are thinner and will give you more sensitivity and a brighter tone.

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Posted on 17 years ago
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Chuck,

I googled the subject and found this on the Pearl website:

"Thickness

Drumheads are basically available in three thicknesses: thin, medium, and thick. Years ago, Remo gave these thicknesses names: Diplomat, Ambassador, and Emperor respectively. These names are so prevalent that if you go to any drum store and ask for, for example, an Ambassador weight head -be it Evans, Ludwig, Attack, Aquarian, or whatever you'll get their equivalent thickness head.

Thickness is commonly measured in mils. One mil is equal to .001" or one thousandths of an inch. As a reference, Diplomat batter heads are 7.5 mil thick; Ambassador batters are 10 mil thick; and Emperor batters are 14 mil thick (two plies, 7 mil + 7 mil). Sometimes you'll see these written as 750, 1000, and 1400: they mean the same thing.

As you'd expect, variations exist between brands and models. For example, Ludwig's medium is 7.5 mil thick and their heavy is 10 mil thick. In comparison, Remo's thin is 7.5 mil thick and their medium is 10 mil thick. Moral: go by thickness and not by description.

Batter and Snare Heads

Heads come in two types: batter heads and snare heads.

Batter heads are the ones that you hit hence the name "batter" (as in batter-up in baseball or assault and battery - just kidding). Batter heads are also used on the bottoms of toms and the fronts of bass drums. When used in this manner they're called resonator heads. I'll discuss resonator heads in more detail later.

Snare heads are much thinner and are used on the bottoms of snare drums. Diplomat, Ambassador, and Emperor snare heads are 2, 3, and 5 mil thick respectively. To put this in perspective, typical plastic kitchen wrap is also 2 to 3 mil thick.

Another true story: Not long ago, we (Pearl) received a snare drum from a drummer who claimed that it sounded "bad." Upon inspection, we discovered that he put an Ambassador batter head on the snare side. It turned out that the store guy (probably a guitar player*) sold him the wrong type of Ambassador. *Guitar players aren't the only ones who make this type of mistake, violin players are especially notorious."

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Posted on 17 years ago
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So, seems like a Diplomat snare side Remo may be the best application. Or, am I still a dope? I mean, I suppose different snare drums warrant different heads. Or am I just being too complicated and/or anal? I guess a Dyna-Sonic snare may work best with one head (for ex., a Diplomat), and another snare may work best with another (lika an Ambassador). One thing is likely sure, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference!! I'm just trying to match this particular vintage snare drum with the best head, that's all.

Posted on 17 years ago
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