Classic finish - very nice indeed. Never played one. Only seen them from a distance.

Zoiks.

What a beauty.

To your point ( and a different post ) I personally

almost prefer 6 and 8 'bangers.

A more open sound and much less de-tuning along the way.

I have a silly little 50's Gretsch #4105 that will stop birds from

singing, and is all told worth $50.00 bucks...

Yes Sir

Don't all snare drums stop birds from singing? Some times you need them to stop people from singing.

LOL!

Okay...okay...Let me try and emphasize my already over-emphasized point! ...

Here goes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110156415104&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=001

Okay...here is a beautiful-looking snare drum...vintage-style tube lugs...vintage-style case...vintage-style this...vintage style-that...MADE to be collectible...etc.

The "Buy It Now" price probably reflects somewhere near to the store's original asking price ($995.00). It is in mint condition and yet received only one bid...which likely didn't even come close to meeting the reserve price.

On the other hand....although I don't have a good Ebay example at the moment....I have seen some old drums selling for thousands...You know the ones!

As nice as the Ludwig anniversary drum may be, it represents more of an evolution in marketing than it does in actual instrument building or something unique enough to become a desired collectible, in my opinion. I would venture to say that many of these drums probably NEVER get used. It seems like someone figured out a way to make something that looks like it could have been stored away in a closet or under a bed for 30-40 years and then "re-discovered" in mint un-used condition and then have it garner the same status that people have come to know with, say, a 1967 Fender Stratocaster in a tweed case that the nice little old lady down the street digs out of an old blanket chest...or something along those lines. I think that's the whole idea behind these kinds of drums -not so much as how good they will sound, but more of how well they can create an aura of nostalgia. Again, the irony is that it is still currently possible to get the real thing (in many cases) for less of an up-front investment than it is to buy something new that is supposed to represent something vintage.

Of course, "used" is just that...it's been used and touched by someone else and that idea bugs some people. SOmetimes, people want the exclusive rights to their things and they don't want anything that's been used.

So, the vintage Camco drums are expensive by today's idea of something "used", but they seem to be a considerably better investment than do the new drums that are made to be like vintage -at least that would appear to be the case in this one particular example. Who knows? Maybe in 10-20 years, that Ludwig collectible drum will be worth thousands...but I just don't think so. I think the same thing will hold true for all the other drums of the "new vintage nostalgia" craze.

Even if every drum company under the Sun were to go back, re-tool and start making drums exactly the same way as they used to do 40 years ago, it STILL wouldn't change the higher-desirability of the real vintage gear.

And, someone made the point earlier about the fact that it is in the drum companies' best interests to pander to the young, up-and-coming "future" of drumming instead of making a bunch of old fellows feel better about themselves in their old age ( I am paraphrasing)...Excited That's a fair-enough point...But, this website is more focused on vintage gear and less about new gear or the future of drums and drumming. Therefore, I think it is interesting to make note of all the new gear that's trying to look like vintage gear. In a way, it could be an indication that there is no more forward-thinking...that the modern industry , as we now know it, has hit a wall...that there is nothing new to make...and therefore, the market responds in the only way their lack of creativity allows them...that is, to go backwards and try to RE-create something that was already done years ago! They want to now make new drums look like old treasure, but it's just a simple marketing deception.

It's not "pure evil" or anything really bad or anything...it's just drums, after all...but that's what we discuss here.Party

I guess my "beef" about this whole subject is best metaphorically exemplified in this movie trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyRXtPXUYUA

"Imagine a world where vintage drums cease to be vintage" ;)

I guess my "beef" about this whole subject is best metaphorically exemplified in this movie trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyRXtPXUYUA

O-Lugs

I thought the same thing whe I first saw the trailer for this film.........

Bodysnatchers revisited.........

But...I do have a 2004 DW solid maple WMP snare with "vintage" lugs that is way cool.... I don't think of it as a throwback, but a cool looking newer drum.

I for one would pay full price for a Nicole Kidman reproduction any day, without a second thought.Excited

Point taken! I agree!

Yea, but would she sound as sweet as a Supra when banging away...

Sorry, I could not resist.

And here's the result on that three piece LA kit - yeah, prices might be getting stupid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130142107492&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=003

What would a slightly altered mid-70s Ludwig, Rogers, Gretsch or Slingerland three piece config like this fetch (I don't follow them so I have no idea)? I'm guessing considerably less than this.

Cheers,

David

I don't know. That strikes me as more in line with common sense. eBay seems to be deleting the completed auctions much more quickly these days but didn't we see a guy sell a recovered 12/14/20 oaklawn for like 3K or 3.5K not long ago (this summer). Granted this one has irreparable holes in the tom and LAs go a little lower than Oaklawn and Chanute but it is a very nice player for $1,200. The buyer may never find the snare but I know the kit will sound great and that has to be cheaper than three new DW drums.