Thanks for the heads up guys. I'll investigate that top hoop. Didn't notice that myself. How can a Ludwig cob hoop be "too big"? I see snares with rods slightly angled in all the time...how does one avoid that? Or should I say, if this hoop is "wrong" being a cob Ludwig, then how do you recommend I find the "right" hoop?

As always, I'm not out to scam anyone here.

Thanks,

Adam

Some variation exist from date of manufacture post 64 ,as some production runs especially in 64 it was a major transition year for Ludwig with mass production up and some quality control down , it was tighter pre 64 , so there fore factory original parts unless it came with drums would be hard pressed to find for the golden years of Ludwig...good luck sorry about the rant still a nice drum none the less it's tough salvaging for parts (I know it took me 5 years to find a cob hoop for my super 400 that fit )that's why original drums are highly prized by collectors...

Interesting. Anyone else have insight into this?

This is possibly an example of good new knowledge and understanding (on both sides because you would not have been happy with the drum as is) coming from a "bad" experience, and that my friends is called a "silver lining"!

-Adam

My question would be: since Ludwig clearly did not change their drum diameters hoop to hoop based on variance, how is it that this would not be an "issue" drum to drum on many 64/65 snare drums? Also, I'm surprised quite frankly that I've never heard of this discussion before.

Adam

Anyone ever hear of this? I'm really not seeing info on how this would make the hoop on this drum an "issue" if it was common to have variance in hoop diameter in 64/65. If anything it makes it more consistent with that era of production. Am I seeing this wrong?

Anyone?

Adam

Adam, I have a varying amount of splay on most of my 60's Ludwig snares. I assumed it was typical. I also would like to add for the groups knowledge that over the past several years you have sold me several drum sets. I have always found you to be a great guy to deal with. You always answer questions, you are very knowledgeable about vintage and new drums. You have never tried to pull anything over on me. I am 100% satisfied with every transaction we have had. Thanks for being such a good guy. Jerry.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, you have a beautiful snare.

So a happy ending it seems? Great! Misunderstandings happen. Group hug!Cool1

Thanks Jerry! I appreciate your business greatly and it means a lot to me that you're happy with your purchases. Thanks for saying so publicly.

As far as this whole "thing" goes, It was something, but I don't think it was a mis-understanding.

Adam

Actually since I didn't see anyone crawling out of the woodwork to defend the "variable size hoops" theory I decided to look closer at the drum and certify that the hoops are infact the same. To me it looks like the lugs are drilled slightly lower than center on the shell, which exaggerates the appearance of the angle on the top rods, but both go towards the inserts at the same angle top and bottom. It just appears more drastic due to the way the shell was drilled--which is not perfect and the fact that the bottom head is tighter--therefore showing less tension rod.

I've seen this before on other Jazzfest drums where the depth varied a bit causing lugs to be slightly off. No one ever pointed it out as a problem before. Not to say it's not a personal preference when purchasing a drum for a collection, but either way this is a way more likely explanation for the angle we see--at least in my view (with the drum in my hands).

Anyway...whatever. Ludwig drums from this era aren't even round...so it's not like it matters for playing. They sound awesome and this drum is no exception.

Adam